1Goran
Hey everyone,
Just wanted to let everyone know about the very considerate and personable service I received from Jerad at Centipede Press. I purchased a copy of H.P. Lovecraft Master of the Weird Tale (Centipede Press) from amazon.ca a week ago because they offered a good Canadian price and free shipping. When the book arrive I found it was missing the sewn silk ribbon marker and had faded black stains on the sides. I wrote to Jerad and asked him if perhaps the ribbons were only available in the deluxe edition. Jerad got back to me and confirmed its available on all editions but couldn't understand how mine could be missing (he checked the remaining copies he had). We concluded its just my crummy luck since CP books are of outstanding quality as a rule (I've purchase a number of them over the last two years).
Even though I didn't buy the book directly from CP Jerad felt compelled to try and make amends. He offered me a 20% discount off Citadel of the Autarch, a free copy of Weird Fiction Review #1, and even offered to replace the tome (limited to 300 copies, approx. 1200.00 pages, weights a little over 10 lbs) when I made my next order: even though I didn't even purchase the book directly from him! I call that old school service; really trying to connect with your customers. I accepted the 20% discount and free copy of Weird Fiction but declined the new copy of H.P. Lovecraft as I figured the discount and Weird Fiction were more than fair and I already made arrangements for a replacement from a different online source for the same price in Canadian dollars and free shipping.
Just wanted to let everyone know about the outstanding service I received from this top quality press and its uncompromisingly courteous publisher.
Just wanted to let everyone know about the very considerate and personable service I received from Jerad at Centipede Press. I purchased a copy of H.P. Lovecraft Master of the Weird Tale (Centipede Press) from amazon.ca a week ago because they offered a good Canadian price and free shipping. When the book arrive I found it was missing the sewn silk ribbon marker and had faded black stains on the sides. I wrote to Jerad and asked him if perhaps the ribbons were only available in the deluxe edition. Jerad got back to me and confirmed its available on all editions but couldn't understand how mine could be missing (he checked the remaining copies he had). We concluded its just my crummy luck since CP books are of outstanding quality as a rule (I've purchase a number of them over the last two years).
Even though I didn't buy the book directly from CP Jerad felt compelled to try and make amends. He offered me a 20% discount off Citadel of the Autarch, a free copy of Weird Fiction Review #1, and even offered to replace the tome (limited to 300 copies, approx. 1200.00 pages, weights a little over 10 lbs) when I made my next order: even though I didn't even purchase the book directly from him! I call that old school service; really trying to connect with your customers. I accepted the 20% discount and free copy of Weird Fiction but declined the new copy of H.P. Lovecraft as I figured the discount and Weird Fiction were more than fair and I already made arrangements for a replacement from a different online source for the same price in Canadian dollars and free shipping.
Just wanted to let everyone know about the outstanding service I received from this top quality press and its uncompromisingly courteous publisher.
2astropi
That's exactly what I would expect from Jared! Top-notch service all the way, and the books themselves are just as wonderful of course :)
3Goran
>2 astropi:
I couldn't believe it. I got the replacement copy from a different online retailer and it has the same defects! What, do I have a hex on me or something?
I couldn't believe it. I got the replacement copy from a different online retailer and it has the same defects! What, do I have a hex on me or something?
5Goran
>4 kdweber:
What did you order? I don't know, do major online retailers normally tear out silk ribbon markers or is it just my bad luck x 2?
What did you order? I don't know, do major online retailers normally tear out silk ribbon markers or is it just my bad luck x 2?
7Goran
>6 astropi:
First time was from amazon.ca. Second time was from indigo.chapters.ca. I swear they almost looked identical: silk ribbon missing and the same dark powder ink spots in nearly the same places. I wrote to Jerad and he told me to hold off until Autarck comes out and he'd take care of everything then, so that's real decent of him.
First time was from amazon.ca. Second time was from indigo.chapters.ca. I swear they almost looked identical: silk ribbon missing and the same dark powder ink spots in nearly the same places. I wrote to Jerad and he told me to hold off until Autarck comes out and he'd take care of everything then, so that's real decent of him.
8jeromelucpaulin
It happened to me, with the two Grant books (Hour of the Oxrun Dead and Sound of Midnight) that he released earlier this year. Ordered 4 matching sets before getting one right. Not Jerad's fault but the bindery. I ordered two sets from him then he didn't had matching # after that, so I went through Camelot and the first set was also defective, luckily they had two other matching sets.
I try to not order through Amazon.ca for Centipede books, sometimes they put price tags on the books or the packaging is not good enough. I had a damaged Artist Inspired by SK through them.
As for Jerad, I don't have a thing to say against this guy. Always trying to make customers happy. And poor! :-)
Got 7 new books yesterday (some not event officially announced) packed like a tank.
I try to not order through Amazon.ca for Centipede books, sometimes they put price tags on the books or the packaging is not good enough. I had a damaged Artist Inspired by SK through them.
As for Jerad, I don't have a thing to say against this guy. Always trying to make customers happy. And poor! :-)
Got 7 new books yesterday (some not event officially announced) packed like a tank.
9kdweber
>5 Goran: I bought Stand on Zanzibar, a beautiful edition. It's always weird getting a signed book when the book was published many years after the author died.
10jveezer
I just received the slipcase for the first three books of the The Chronicles of Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser and I have to say "Bravo." The slipcase it sturdy, high quality, beautiful, and fits the books nicely. Well done. I've seen much flimsier hackjob slipcases on much more expensive books.
Disclaimer: Don't hate me because I'm a lover of slipcases.
Disclaimer: Don't hate me because I'm a lover of slipcases.
11kdweber
>10 jveezer: I have to agree. I emailed Jerad to thank him.
This thread hasn't been active in a long time probably due to the fact that there is now a Centipede Press Group.
I see in 2011 I had ordered my first book from Centipede, now I own 53 titles.
This thread hasn't been active in a long time probably due to the fact that there is now a Centipede Press Group.
I see in 2011 I had ordered my first book from Centipede, now I own 53 titles.
12dlphcoracl
>10 jveezer:
>11 kdweber:
Although the Centipede Press is almost always associated with the horror, weird tales, supernatural genre of literature, I would like to draw your attention to a Centipede Press gem that is outside of their normal oeuvre:
God's Man by Lynd Ward, 2015.
Lynd Ward is probably best known to the LT Fine Press Forum as a gifted illustrator for several of George Macy's Limited Editions Club books. However, his masterworks are the six wordless novels he created and published between 1929 and 1937 during the depths of the Great Depression. These are books created entirely from a series of woodcuts which tell a story and, as the name implies, have no written text. Ward was a passionate socialist and these six tales examine the plight of the Everyman, how poorly he was faring during this difficult period and the role of capitalism and "Big Business" in creating these adverse conditions.
The genre of the wordless novel began with Frans Masereel (who also illustrated several LEC books) in the Weimar Republic of Germany in 1917 and were quickly followed by two of his most important works, 25 Images of a Man's Passion (1918) and Mein Stundenbuch /My Book of Hours (1919), a clever and sarcastic title which references the small religious books of personal devotion in medieval times. Masereel was also an avid socialist and his wordless novels were sympathetic to the plight of the average person struggling with the hyperinflation and general chaos in Germany between the wars.
The 1st editions of Ward's six wordless novels are not private press (letterpress) and they were small octavo volumes. The Centipede Press took Ward's most famous wordless novel and gave it the deluxe Centipede Press treatment, publishing God's Man as a large octavo book in 2015 with Ward's two introductions and a preface written by Barry Moser. It is a limited edition of 300 copies and the colophon page contains a facsimile of Lynd Ward's signature and is also signed by Barry Moser.
Finally, if you would like to acquire the complete set of Ward's six masterworks without the time and expense of tracking down the first editions (which are rarely found in collectible condition) a beautiful two-volume slipcased set containing all six wordless novels was published by the Library of America (LOA) in 2010. It is currently being offered the the LOA (see link) at a generous 38% discount for $50.00. Both the Centipede Press edition and the complete set by the LOA are highly recommended.
https://loa.org/books/337-lynd-ward-six-novels-in-woodcuts-boxed-set
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/books/review/Heller-t.html
>11 kdweber:
Although the Centipede Press is almost always associated with the horror, weird tales, supernatural genre of literature, I would like to draw your attention to a Centipede Press gem that is outside of their normal oeuvre:
God's Man by Lynd Ward, 2015.
Lynd Ward is probably best known to the LT Fine Press Forum as a gifted illustrator for several of George Macy's Limited Editions Club books. However, his masterworks are the six wordless novels he created and published between 1929 and 1937 during the depths of the Great Depression. These are books created entirely from a series of woodcuts which tell a story and, as the name implies, have no written text. Ward was a passionate socialist and these six tales examine the plight of the Everyman, how poorly he was faring during this difficult period and the role of capitalism and "Big Business" in creating these adverse conditions.
The genre of the wordless novel began with Frans Masereel (who also illustrated several LEC books) in the Weimar Republic of Germany in 1917 and were quickly followed by two of his most important works, 25 Images of a Man's Passion (1918) and Mein Stundenbuch /My Book of Hours (1919), a clever and sarcastic title which references the small religious books of personal devotion in medieval times. Masereel was also an avid socialist and his wordless novels were sympathetic to the plight of the average person struggling with the hyperinflation and general chaos in Germany between the wars.
The 1st editions of Ward's six wordless novels are not private press (letterpress) and they were small octavo volumes. The Centipede Press took Ward's most famous wordless novel and gave it the deluxe Centipede Press treatment, publishing God's Man as a large octavo book in 2015 with Ward's two introductions and a preface written by Barry Moser. It is a limited edition of 300 copies and the colophon page contains a facsimile of Lynd Ward's signature and is also signed by Barry Moser.
Finally, if you would like to acquire the complete set of Ward's six masterworks without the time and expense of tracking down the first editions (which are rarely found in collectible condition) a beautiful two-volume slipcased set containing all six wordless novels was published by the Library of America (LOA) in 2010. It is currently being offered the the LOA (see link) at a generous 38% discount for $50.00. Both the Centipede Press edition and the complete set by the LOA are highly recommended.
https://loa.org/books/337-lynd-ward-six-novels-in-woodcuts-boxed-set
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/books/review/Heller-t.html
13kdweber
>12 dlphcoracl: Yes indeed, I'm happy to have a copy of both the CP and LOA editions. One advantage to wordless novels, one doesn't need a translation. I assume you have a copy of both Masereel titles mentioned?
14dlphcoracl
>13 kdweber:
The Frans Masereel wordless novels are a particular collecting interest of mine. Masereel was prolific in this medium and from 1917 to 1970 he published approximately 40-plus wordless novels. However, his masterworks -perhaps inspired by the sociopolitical chaos and wealth inequality of the Weimar Republic of Germany - were almost all published early in his career from 1918-1932. I own most of Masereel's major wordless novels in their private press limited edition format, printed letterpress on handmade papers and published by Kurt Wolff in Berlin or in France. Several were in Giovanni (Hans) Mardersteig's personal collection with dedication inscriptions or signature from Masereel to Mardersteig. Mardersteig was the proprietor of the Officina Bodoni and was widely recognized as one of the finest European printers of the 20th century, one of the few that routinely employed a 19th-century hand press. He "discovered" Masereel and introduced him to Kurt Wolff, the premier German private press publisher of that time, which launched Masereel's career. Mardersteig had these limited editions given new bindings in full morocco by the craftspersons at his Offiina Bodoni and these are unique copies of the limited edition.
The Frans Masereel wordless novels are a particular collecting interest of mine. Masereel was prolific in this medium and from 1917 to 1970 he published approximately 40-plus wordless novels. However, his masterworks -perhaps inspired by the sociopolitical chaos and wealth inequality of the Weimar Republic of Germany - were almost all published early in his career from 1918-1932. I own most of Masereel's major wordless novels in their private press limited edition format, printed letterpress on handmade papers and published by Kurt Wolff in Berlin or in France. Several were in Giovanni (Hans) Mardersteig's personal collection with dedication inscriptions or signature from Masereel to Mardersteig. Mardersteig was the proprietor of the Officina Bodoni and was widely recognized as one of the finest European printers of the 20th century, one of the few that routinely employed a 19th-century hand press. He "discovered" Masereel and introduced him to Kurt Wolff, the premier German private press publisher of that time, which launched Masereel's career. Mardersteig had these limited editions given new bindings in full morocco by the craftspersons at his Offiina Bodoni and these are unique copies of the limited edition.
15Sorion
>12 dlphcoracl: So he made comic books? :)
16dlphcoracl
>15 Sorion:
LOL. Not quite. :-)
Frans Masereel's wordless novels were the inspiration and forerunner of the serious comic and graphic novels and arts, usually employed in a sociopolitical context and, more often than not, radical leftist literature or causes. Art Spiegelman's 'Maus', Robert Crumb's raunchy circa Late Great Sixties comics (Zap Comix), and the anarchist artistry of Clifford Harper all follow from Masereel's groundbreaking works. They DO differ from routine comics because their illustrations have a level of artistry and complexity not found in DC Comics and the Justice League. Many use the woodcut medium and those that do not and are hand drawn have a level of sophistication and skill that set them apart, i.e., the incredible density of R. Crumb's works.
LOL. Not quite. :-)
Frans Masereel's wordless novels were the inspiration and forerunner of the serious comic and graphic novels and arts, usually employed in a sociopolitical context and, more often than not, radical leftist literature or causes. Art Spiegelman's 'Maus', Robert Crumb's raunchy circa Late Great Sixties comics (Zap Comix), and the anarchist artistry of Clifford Harper all follow from Masereel's groundbreaking works. They DO differ from routine comics because their illustrations have a level of artistry and complexity not found in DC Comics and the Justice League. Many use the woodcut medium and those that do not and are hand drawn have a level of sophistication and skill that set them apart, i.e., the incredible density of R. Crumb's works.
17wcarter
>12 dlphcoracl:
Enabled again!
Just ordered God's Man from a US bookseller for US$150. Only twice the original price, which is not bad for a signed limitation of 300.
Enabled again!
Just ordered God's Man from a US bookseller for US$150. Only twice the original price, which is not bad for a signed limitation of 300.
18dlphcoracl
>17 wcarter:
You are in for a very special treat. The 1st editions of Lynd Ward's wordless novels never looked this good and Ward's woodcut artistry is a marvel - but, if you are familiar with Ward's work as an illustrator for the Limited Editions Club, e.g., The Count of Monte Cristo, Les Miserables, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Lord Jim, etc., you already knew that! :-)
You are in for a very special treat. The 1st editions of Lynd Ward's wordless novels never looked this good and Ward's woodcut artistry is a marvel - but, if you are familiar with Ward's work as an illustrator for the Limited Editions Club, e.g., The Count of Monte Cristo, Les Miserables, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Lord Jim, etc., you already knew that! :-)
19kdweber
>14 dlphcoracl: Why am I not surprised. Impressed and awed, yes, but not surprised. My experience with the wonderful Officina Bodoni is limited to the eleven works they did for the LEC.
20MobyRichard
>17 wcarter:
Too bad you didn't check with me a year ago. Sold my copy for published price. Definitely worth $150 though.
Too bad you didn't check with me a year ago. Sold my copy for published price. Definitely worth $150 though.
22RATBAG.
>18 dlphcoracl: Side-note/question: Do you have any idea where I can find the bibliography of Chimaera Press (UK)?
24elladan0891
>12 dlphcoracl: >13 kdweber: How is LOA's paper? I've been eyeing this set from time to time, but never pulled the trigger because I question paper. I'm not a fan of the LOA way of sticking multiple novels into the same volume, which mandates them using cigarette paper. And while the very thin paper might still be serviceable for text, I wonder how it carries woodcut illustrations on both sides. Are they bleeding through? If so, how badly? Or did they use different paper?
25RATBAG.
>21 RATBAG.: UPDATE: Enabled. And for a not-bad-at-all $85.
26jsg1976
>24 elladan0891: can’t speak to it personally, but the LOA website says they are printed on acid-free paper (which all LOA volumes say) with a light coating for optimal illustration reproduction (which I have never seen listed for an LOA volume before)
27jveezer
Oh yeah, the 4th Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Swords Against Wizardry is up on the Centipede site. A little good news amongst the bad: I can look forward to a favorite book to read even if I can't find any beans or pasta on the store shelves....And $75? I'll take that any day for a book of this quality.
Support those small businesses, y'all. Teaching yoga and selling tea online are my only sources of income and most of the classes have gone away. Jared probably only has book income as well. But necessities first, obviously...
I hope all in our beloved Fine Press Forum and greater LT community are healthy and safe.
Support those small businesses, y'all. Teaching yoga and selling tea online are my only sources of income and most of the classes have gone away. Jared probably only has book income as well. But necessities first, obviously...
I hope all in our beloved Fine Press Forum and greater LT community are healthy and safe.
29wcarter
I have just posted a pictorial review of The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson on the Centipede Press forum here.
30jveezer
I love that Jerad goes back and does slipcases for some of his series. I'm slowly completing both the Elric series and the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series. I previously purchased the slipcase for the first three Leiber books and just did the same for the first three Moorcock books. They are superb slipcases.
Nice touch from a press that obviously takes pride in what they do.
Nice touch from a press that obviously takes pride in what they do.
31What_What
>30 jveezer: I guess he’s sending out the order emails individually? Are you able to share the price? I’ll need to get one.
32kdweber
>30 jveezer: I really like the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser slipcase (hope he offers another one for the rest of the series). The only mention of the Elric slipcase that I saw was in the weekly email where he said he was going to send out emails to the series' owners but I haven't heard a thing.
33jveezer
The Elric is very much like the Gray Mouser in quality and appearance. He mentioned emailing batches of customers daily, so I assume you should get something soon. $75.
34What_What
>33 jveezer: Thanks. Can’t wait to get it.
35MobyRichard
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165813811217?hash=item269b45f811:g:w3EAAOSwZp5jjKel&...
Decent price for the Centipede Press Holy Grail, Book of the New (1-5 only). But I would be careful with this. There's only one picture and the description is more confusing than helpful.
Decent price for the Centipede Press Holy Grail, Book of the New (1-5 only). But I would be careful with this. There's only one picture and the description is more confusing than helpful.
36Undergroundman
>35 MobyRichard: It's really pathetic how lazy some of these sellers are. For something that expensive you can't at the very least take 2 minutes to take photos? I wouldn't buy from that seller on principal alone. And one of the the ribbon markers is outside the book, and dragging beneath the case. Oh, sure it's "like new." Pathetic.
37Shadekeep
New title from Centipede - The Machine in Ward Eleven.
Unknown author to me, but sounds intriguing, and it's a nice price for a signed hardbound.
Unknown author to me, but sounds intriguing, and it's a nice price for a signed hardbound.
38astropi
>37 Shadekeep: The author is Charles Ray Willeford III who passed away in 1988. His writing is noted as "quirky, eccentric, unique" etc. and has been compared to people including Philip K Dick and Jim Thompson. For $60, a signed (clearly not the author, although CP does sometimes use facsimiles for people who have passed away) copy is a steal! It will, like all Centipede Press books, sell out and then prices in the second-hand market will be very high. I'm actually surprised signed copies are still left - definitely grab one if you have any interest.
>36 Undergroundman: Based on the description, I'm guessing books 4 and 5 are NOT numbered. I've seen sellers do this where said seller realized unnumbered editions brings the value of the set greatly down, and therefore rather than take pictures they just omit unpleasantries in the listing -- seller noted "Five Volumes in The Book of the New Sun series. Book 1 - 3 are signed/numbered #65/100" and then later notes "EACH BOOK SIGNED BY GENE WOLFE" -- so yeah, caveat emptor.
>36 Undergroundman: Based on the description, I'm guessing books 4 and 5 are NOT numbered. I've seen sellers do this where said seller realized unnumbered editions brings the value of the set greatly down, and therefore rather than take pictures they just omit unpleasantries in the listing -- seller noted "Five Volumes in The Book of the New Sun series. Book 1 - 3 are signed/numbered #65/100" and then later notes "EACH BOOK SIGNED BY GENE WOLFE" -- so yeah, caveat emptor.
39Shadekeep
>38 astropi: Thanks, and I'm guessing it's signed by Jack Seabrook, author of the intro. Seems to be a not uncommon bonus these days. The three Suntup titles in the forthcoming pipeline tout the same.
40Shadekeep
Jerad is soliciting feedback on the binding for the forthcoming edition of Neuromancer. I wasn't even aware he was doing this, now it's on my list. Anyway, the mooted binding is printed boards and a cloth spine (basically quarter-cloth binding). The picture in the newsletter looks good and I like this binding style in general, so it got my vote.
42Undergroundman
Hope I get the opportunity to buy a CP Neuromancer. I imagine it selling out in a couple of minutes. The Suntup numbered was not to my liking. Especially the case.
43whytewolf1
>41 Ragnaroek: Yes, he said he plans to do the other two titles, as well.
44astropi
>42 Undergroundman: I thought the Suntup edition was really cleverly done -- the binding and the illustrations looked great. That said, I never owned a copy, so if you do have a copy for trade please send me a message :)
45MobyRichard
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126145510282?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%2...
Book of the New Sun all 6 volumes. I think this one might actually be legit? At least it's not the scam listing which keeps re-appearing every two months or so.
Book of the New Sun all 6 volumes. I think this one might actually be legit? At least it's not the scam listing which keeps re-appearing every two months or so.
46Undergroundman
>45 MobyRichard: No feedback, and appears to be clueless with online selling. I'd be seriously worried about the shipping. Media mail? Seriously?
47Levin40
>46 Undergroundman: It's written on the listing 'Part of my late-husband's collection, proceeds go to our children. '. So that probably explains why the seller doesn't know the market and isn't used to selling online. I believe they're genuine though. Will be interested to see what they go for. I'm sure you could discuss the 'media mail' part should you win.
48Ragnaroek
The problem is that the seller probably don't know how to ship internationally. If the forms aren't filled correctly you will never see youre package and can have a lot of trouble with the seller afterwards.
Always a risk.
I had this problem once. Ebays buyer protection is top notch though 👌
Always a risk.
I had this problem once. Ebays buyer protection is top notch though 👌
49MobyRichard
Yeah, I wouldn't bid on it if you need international shipping. That can get pretty complicated, especially if you're in a country like Germany for example. Or if you do bid on it, try and get the seller to use Ebay's Shipping Program? Not sure exactly how it works but I assume Ebay takes care of everything for you.
50NathanOv
>47 Levin40: "I'm sure you could discuss the 'media mail' part should you win."
Highly recommend discussing beforehand, or at least before you pay. eBay will let the seller select from all the eligible USPS / UPS / Fedex shipping options, but it can get complicated if they generate a label as soon as they receive payment, or more funds need to be exchanged after the eBay sale has closed.
My understanding on international is that if users choose to offer worldwide shipping and let eBay calculate shipping costs (i.e, don't set flat rate or free shipping), then they'll always have the option to generate a label that goes to eBay’s forwarding warehouse where proper paperwork is attached. An inexperienced seller could always try to do it themselves and cause issues, though.
Highly recommend discussing beforehand, or at least before you pay. eBay will let the seller select from all the eligible USPS / UPS / Fedex shipping options, but it can get complicated if they generate a label as soon as they receive payment, or more funds need to be exchanged after the eBay sale has closed.
My understanding on international is that if users choose to offer worldwide shipping and let eBay calculate shipping costs (i.e, don't set flat rate or free shipping), then they'll always have the option to generate a label that goes to eBay’s forwarding warehouse where proper paperwork is attached. An inexperienced seller could always try to do it themselves and cause issues, though.
51ambyrglow
I've had both reputable booksellers and presses themselves ship me books worth hundreds of dollars via Media Mail. I don't love it, and I would happily pay the extra $5-10 for Priority if given the option, but it seems to be increasingly common to treat Media Mail as the standard for intra-US purchases. When I've asked for alternatives I've sometimes been told no.
52Undergroundman
>51 ambyrglow: Yeah. I have a Dune being shipped via Media mail that was worth $700. Baffling. Even Suntup pretty much warns you to choose Priority for numbereds, because if you choose Media mail, and the book gets lost they won't refund you.
Couldn't imagine bidding on something worth 5K, and having it shipped Media. LOL
Couldn't imagine bidding on something worth 5K, and having it shipped Media. LOL
53astropi
>52 Undergroundman: I'm a little confused why it should matter if you send something media vs priority? Priority comes with $100 worth of insurance and while media does not, you can easily add up to $5000 worth of insurance on most any domestic mail including media. In fact, most booksellers do indeed ship media and just add insurance in case there is loss or damage. The only potential difference is that priority supposedly arrives faster -- supposedly. There is no guarantee.
54ambyrglow
>53 astropi: Media mail is routed differently from other mail. There are specific regional facilities it's supposed to pass through (though it doesn't always), and it makes more stops on average. Given my history with USPS (which involves a distressing number of lost packages), my preference is to do whatever I can to limit the number of stops my packages make--because every stop is an opportunity for USPS to do who-knows-what with it.
55Undergroundman
>53 astropi: This isn't true at all. I never gotten Media Mail with "insured" on the label. I've gotten $200 books shipped in bubble mailers from Ebay sellers.
57NathanOv
>55 Undergroundman: You can absolutely insure Media Mail, it’s just not a default. You have to ask for it and someone has to pay extra, actually the same as Priority Mail for items valued above $100.
I do agree that Media Mail is at far higher risk of damage though, and whenever the postal service goes through a tough patch, it’s one of the services that suffers the most.
I do agree that Media Mail is at far higher risk of damage though, and whenever the postal service goes through a tough patch, it’s one of the services that suffers the most.
59NathanOv
>58 Ragnaroek: not sure for international! For continental US it’s 2-8.
60Undergroundman
>57 NathanOv: Of course insurance is available for Media, but many Ebay sellers cheap out on it. Either way, Ebay will get your money back if it never arrives. Better to leave as little handling time to avoid damage, or loss.
61MobyRichard
It differs from region to region. Where I'm at, Media Mail is sometimes faster than Priority. Kind of strange, but since I order so many books it's a nice bonus.
62astropi
>55 Undergroundman: This isn't true at all. I never gotten Media Mail with "insured" on the label. I've gotten $200 books shipped in bubble mailers from Ebay sellers.
What you have received or not from ebay sellers has nothing to do with the fact that media mail is 100% insurable up to $5000.
What you have received or not from ebay sellers has nothing to do with the fact that media mail is 100% insurable up to $5000.
64MobyRichard
Yes, all those can be insured. Whether USPS will pay out on the claim is another thing. All the couriers USPS, FedEx, UPS are going to fight you for the money. On EBAY, it's the seller's obligation to refund the buyer if the package is lost so technically insurance doesn't really matter for the buyer unless the seller makes trouble or something weird happens like USPS marked it 'Delivered and Signed' but the physical package is nowhere to be found. Which does happen, where I used to live USPS faked my signature all the time and just dropped the package on my porch. If it was stolen there would be nothing I could do.
65Undergroundman
>62 astropi: That doesn't negate the fact that many sellers don't use it on Media Mail.
66astropi
>65 Undergroundman: That's not what we were discussing. We were discussing insurance, and you said my statement per >53 astropi: "isn't true at all" when it's 100% true. You can insure media for up to $5000. If sellers don't take advantage of it that is neither here nor there really. I will absolutely ship media AND insure!
68astropi
>67 Undergroundman: Okay, I'll add an addendum, "most booksellers I have dealt with ship media mail and add insurance" - there you go :)
69Undergroundman
>68 astropi: Cool. Unfortunately that hasn't been my experience, and I suppose it isn't that big of a deal because Ebay has your back if the item never arrives. Still, I know some publishers refuse to refund you unless you paid for Priority, or UPS.
70const-char-star
>69 Undergroundman: Honestly, if publisher’s aren’t willing to warranty delivery of their books for specific shipping tiers, they shouldn’t even offer them as an option IMO. You mentioned Suntup recommends against using Media Mail when purchasing from them, but it’s literally the default shipping option when checking out on their website.
71const-char-star
That being said, I’ve had a fair amount of experience receiving and shipping books via Media Mail and have never had any problems as long as the books are packed well.
72Undergroundman
>70 const-char-star: Yeah, I have ordered Artist editions, and used Media Mail in the past. Never had a problem with anything getting lost, so I have no experience with the pushback I would of gotten from Suntup for asking for a refund. I also occasionally buy limited Blu-rays, and some non-book stores have a policy of also not refunding Media mail orders. I think it is really lame.
Diabolik is not responsible for packages lost or damaged in the mail.
https://diabolikdvd.com/store-policies-faq/
Diabolik is not responsible for packages lost or damaged in the mail.
https://diabolikdvd.com/store-policies-faq/
73jroger1
>70 const-char-star:
I didn’t know there were other options with Suntup. I guess I’ve always used the default which is media mail. I’ve never had a problem, though.
I didn’t know there were other options with Suntup. I guess I’ve always used the default which is media mail. I’ve never had a problem, though.
74const-char-star
>70 const-char-star: Yeah, I’ve never had any problems either and I’ve received 39 books (and counting) from Suntup through Media Mail.
75ClarenceBodicker
sending books like that internationally takes a pro packing job, so easy for a corner to get smashed when a book can sit in customs for a month and then your whole perfect set is ruined lol
76What_What
>75 ClarenceBodicker: Sending books like that takes a pro packing job period, doesn't matter where they're going. I once got a $6,000 book in rectangular USPS mailer with a lonely layer of bubble wrap feebly failing at its job.
77ClarenceBodicker
>76 What_What: i feel like folio society is a good model for how to pack. if i buy a generic hardcover from any online seller it always arrives with busted corners.
im not a sci fi guy but cool to see a whole set. what do you guys think this sells for?
im not a sci fi guy but cool to see a whole set. what do you guys think this sells for?
78astropi
>76 What_What: Wow... and I have to ask, would you mind telling us what book you purchased at $6k? I'm super curious!
79Ragnaroek
>78 astropi: me too
80Shadekeep
Robert W. Chambers volume of Masters of the Weird Tale is on sale now. Contains a lot of great stuff, but as I've gotten older I find the large omnibus volumes a bit much for reading purposes. Still, it's a splendid collection of tales!
81booksforreading
>80 Shadekeep:
I could be wrong, but shouldn't this link be available only for recipients of CP newsletter? It has not been made public by Jerad, so it should not be shared without a permission from him.
I could be wrong, but shouldn't this link be available only for recipients of CP newsletter? It has not been made public by Jerad, so it should not be shared without a permission from him.
82Shadekeep
>81 booksforreading: I'll take your word for it, that's probably the case. I sometimes lose track of which publishers use private versus public links. I've removed it from the post now, thanks.
83A.Godhelm
I think the idea is to give a bit of lead time for the newsletter subscribers. I had the same puzzlement but it was just a matter of writing him and asking to be put on it, so no great hurdle. Most of the important updates tend to end up here regardless, just minus the first pick chance.
84Inceptic
Links aren't meant to be shared until Jerad makes them public. I.e. when the book appears in the homepage (top row).
85Shadekeep
>83 A.Godhelm: True enow, and as you point out it's simple enough to get on the newsletter. And I'm sure I knew at one point that the links were private and just had a lapse of recall. Hopefully no damage done.
If folks are waiting for the public link, it appears that slipcased, unsigned copies are still in stock (unless there is an overdue update). I don't recall if there were any signed copies available by the time I got around to checking the email the first time, those may have already been claimed by then.
If folks are waiting for the public link, it appears that slipcased, unsigned copies are still in stock (unless there is an overdue update). I don't recall if there were any signed copies available by the time I got around to checking the email the first time, those may have already been claimed by then.
86Shadekeep
Newsletter subscribers, check your inbox now. Site's a bit hammered at the moment, but I got through to purchase, so keep at it.
EDIT: And sold out in one day, pretty much as expected.
EDIT: And sold out in one day, pretty much as expected.
87Shadekeep
Received Ghost Story today, it's a big sucker. Not sure how convenient to read it will be, but looks nice so far.
88drizzled
Have there been any updates/news regarding "Alice in Wonderland"? I have only signed for the newsletter quite recently, hence, I missed all the previous messages.
89JacobHolt
>88 drizzled: In the July 28th newsletter, Jerad said it "should be done by September." Next week's newsletter is supposed to contain a laundry list of updates on forthcoming books, so I expect we'll hear more then.
90bruinuclafan
Hi all, I'm new here. I recently purchased and read the Centipede Press Ghost Story and was totally blown away by the quality of the book (and the story itself is fantastic). So just wanted to drop a line and say hello. I hope to pick up more books from Centipede in the future!
91astropi
>90 bruinuclafan: Hello and welcome! Yes, I've been a fan of Centipede Press for many years (since they started really). The quality is very good, but more so the material they collect and publish is hard to find most anywhere else. That said, allow me to say CP is not in the same league as many of the presses we have been discussing here. You should check this out --
https://conversationtreepress.com/pages/weird-1-house-borderlands-hodgson
They're sold out, but copies will come up on the second-hand market. Certainly more than for retail, but THAT is truly fine press and of the highest quality. Not trying to disparage CP in any way, in my mind they absolutely fill in an important niche in the genres they publish. Also, CP has published one true fine press work, and rumors are that they are working on publishing a true fine press edition of Lovecraft's Mountains of Madness -- something absolutely to look forward to!
https://conversationtreepress.com/pages/weird-1-house-borderlands-hodgson
They're sold out, but copies will come up on the second-hand market. Certainly more than for retail, but THAT is truly fine press and of the highest quality. Not trying to disparage CP in any way, in my mind they absolutely fill in an important niche in the genres they publish. Also, CP has published one true fine press work, and rumors are that they are working on publishing a true fine press edition of Lovecraft's Mountains of Madness -- something absolutely to look forward to!
92bruinuclafan
>91 astropi: Thanks for the welcome and for that link! I will keep an eye out for that book on eBay. I should add that prior to this, I thought that Folio Society was the absolute epitome of high-quality books. It seems like there is now a whole new world to explore here! But for me the book has to interest me a lot before I'll spend the money.
93SF-72
>90 bruinuclafan:
Hello and welcome. Centipede Press make beautiful books and the love the owner, Jerad, puts into it all is felt throughout. If you haven't yet, get the newsletter. I find it very enjoyable.
Hello and welcome. Centipede Press make beautiful books and the love the owner, Jerad, puts into it all is felt throughout. If you haven't yet, get the newsletter. I find it very enjoyable.
94ultrarightist
>91 astropi: Which fine press edition has CP published to date?
95mholt
>94 ultrarightist: Children of the Kingdom by T.E.D. Kline was done fully letterpress. astropi may be referencing that one.
96astropi
>92 bruinuclafan: I should add that prior to this, I thought that Folio Society was the absolute epitome of high-quality books.
Many of us were on that road -- myself, I thought the same thing about Easton Press :)
>94 ultrarightist: >95 mholt: Yes, that is the one. I believe 100 were produced and retail was around $800-900, and I've seen a handful of copies for sale around $1100 or $1200. I haven't seen the book myself, so I can't say if it's magnificent or overpriced.
Many of us were on that road -- myself, I thought the same thing about Easton Press :)
>94 ultrarightist: >95 mholt: Yes, that is the one. I believe 100 were produced and retail was around $800-900, and I've seen a handful of copies for sale around $1100 or $1200. I haven't seen the book myself, so I can't say if it's magnificent or overpriced.
97Shadekeep
>90 bruinuclafan: Have Ghost Story myself and it's one of the two CP titles I'm most pleased with. The other is Powers of Darkness, which worth hunting for.
98Chemren
>92 bruinuclafan: If you haven’t yet, check out the George Macy Devotees group and the Limited Editions Club books. They make a fine transition/introduction point to the world of fine press collecting. As a fan of the Folio Society I am sure you will find much to like, although your bookshelf space may suffer. Speaking from experience.
99bruinuclafan
>97 Shadekeep: Thanks I will search that out. I saw they are releasing Frankenstein soon and I am very tempted to get that one.
100bruinuclafan
>98 Chemren: Thanks I will have a look. Yes, I can already see bookshelf space becoming a problem. Naturally, this goes well with my other hobby, collecting vinyl records...
101curiousbook
In my humble opinion, CP Dune surpassed all other publishers. I like it more than my letterpress so called fine editions
102astropi
>101 curiousbook: Might I ask what "letterpress so called fine editions" you're comparing it to?
103curiousbook
Most recent ones: Arete press The creeping man; conversation tree press for Algernon and faun; letterpress Shakespeare by FS: and many others. I just find CP Dune to have better illustrations and it provided for a really nice reading experience.
We can agree to disagree that most letterpress editions do not have great illustrations and or a lot of them. Shortly, I’m not impressed. Well, I ordered Foundation from CTP and waiting for other letterpress editions. So, I might change my opinion in the future
We can agree to disagree that most letterpress editions do not have great illustrations and or a lot of them. Shortly, I’m not impressed. Well, I ordered Foundation from CTP and waiting for other letterpress editions. So, I might change my opinion in the future
104astropi
>103 curiousbook: Well, the FS letterpress Shakespeare has no illustrations, so there's that :)
But yeah, we'll agree to disagree. Mind you, I do respect your opinions. With regards to illustrations, you may want to consider purchasing a Suntup letterpress edition -- Suntup's illustrations are often very similar in style to CP.
But yeah, we'll agree to disagree. Mind you, I do respect your opinions. With regards to illustrations, you may want to consider purchasing a Suntup letterpress edition -- Suntup's illustrations are often very similar in style to CP.
105abysswalker
>101 curiousbook: not to disparage your taste, but here are some reasons the Centipede Press Dune did not work for me:
Very average paper. As I recall, it didn't even specify beyond "alkaline" and certainly didn't feel any nicer than something like Abbey Wove. Paper is the single most important thing for me, though it is still only necessary but not sufficient. If the paper seems weak, especially for a book as expensive as the CP Dune (even at release it was close to $1k CAD, IIRC), it's hard for other elements to make up for it.
Very average binding (standard casing), which doesn't really feel strong enough to support the size of the volume. The text block will almost certainly sag over time if read and/or stored upright. Not the end of the world, but for the "best" I would hope for better.
I liked the illustrations well enough, but it still wasn't quite the style I would like for Dune. All that said, if liking the illustrations is the main thing for a collector, I can see the appeal. I do like them more than, for example, the Folio Society edition.
(I did have a copy of the CP Dune, but sold it.)
I do generally appreciate what Centipede is doing, though I think their forte is their lower priced editions. For example, the recent Maupassant which has a particularly attractive cloth binding for the price (though I wish it had a slipcase). And the Nifft series (also no slipcases though). I love that Jerad's choice of titles includes more obscure and pulp adjacent works.
My favorite edition from them that I have seen in person is The Club Dumas, which is printed on a beautiful laid paper, printed in multiple colors, with illustrations that appeal to me, and a nicer than average slipcase. Highly recommended, though it is medium priced by CP standards.
I suspect their Children of the Kingdom is probably the most impressive CP release (to me) to date, but I haven't actually seen it in person.
Very average paper. As I recall, it didn't even specify beyond "alkaline" and certainly didn't feel any nicer than something like Abbey Wove. Paper is the single most important thing for me, though it is still only necessary but not sufficient. If the paper seems weak, especially for a book as expensive as the CP Dune (even at release it was close to $1k CAD, IIRC), it's hard for other elements to make up for it.
Very average binding (standard casing), which doesn't really feel strong enough to support the size of the volume. The text block will almost certainly sag over time if read and/or stored upright. Not the end of the world, but for the "best" I would hope for better.
I liked the illustrations well enough, but it still wasn't quite the style I would like for Dune. All that said, if liking the illustrations is the main thing for a collector, I can see the appeal. I do like them more than, for example, the Folio Society edition.
(I did have a copy of the CP Dune, but sold it.)
I do generally appreciate what Centipede is doing, though I think their forte is their lower priced editions. For example, the recent Maupassant which has a particularly attractive cloth binding for the price (though I wish it had a slipcase). And the Nifft series (also no slipcases though). I love that Jerad's choice of titles includes more obscure and pulp adjacent works.
My favorite edition from them that I have seen in person is The Club Dumas, which is printed on a beautiful laid paper, printed in multiple colors, with illustrations that appeal to me, and a nicer than average slipcase. Highly recommended, though it is medium priced by CP standards.
I suspect their Children of the Kingdom is probably the most impressive CP release (to me) to date, but I haven't actually seen it in person.
106curiousbook
>104 astropi: exactly my fs letterpress hamlet and Macbeth have no illustrations. Exactly my point lol. I do have suntup and don’t like them. I have exorcist plus several others numbered editions. Yes, I know I’m hard to please. Plus, I’m also into o scale trains, which is very expensive hobby too. So, im very picky when it comes to expensive books. They still a fraction of my Lionel visionline locomotives and layout but still expensive to me
107MobyRichard
>105 abysswalker:
I think the standard Centipede paper for more expensive editions is Mohawk Superfine, of various "weights". I think that's about as good as you actually need for good offset printing. Anything beyond that for offset seems kind of a waste to me. I do think the binding material for the signed Dune is an odd choice. But later volumes go back to a sturdy cloth.
As to how it will hold up, the text block is not any heavier than most of CP's Masters of the Weird Tale series. All those seem to have held up just fine so far.
Speaking of that series. Anyone happen to have the original Masters of the Weird Tale Edgar Allan Poe for trade? The early limited edition. Seems like a longshot but thought I'd ask.
I think the standard Centipede paper for more expensive editions is Mohawk Superfine, of various "weights". I think that's about as good as you actually need for good offset printing. Anything beyond that for offset seems kind of a waste to me. I do think the binding material for the signed Dune is an odd choice. But later volumes go back to a sturdy cloth.
As to how it will hold up, the text block is not any heavier than most of CP's Masters of the Weird Tale series. All those seem to have held up just fine so far.
Speaking of that series. Anyone happen to have the original Masters of the Weird Tale Edgar Allan Poe for trade? The early limited edition. Seems like a longshot but thought I'd ask.
108astropi
>107 MobyRichard: I do not, but I did once have it. If you're looking for the complete set obviously it's a must, BUT if not, let me say it was one of CP's earlier editions and it had "issues". The quality is not nearly as good as later and current productions.
109abysswalker
>107 MobyRichard: for me, offset definitely benefits from nicer paper, assuming it doesn't make a book too thick. Almost all Folio Society books are offset, and I always notice the nicer papers, whether it's one of the rough lines or Modigliani or something else. The Centipede Club Dumas, as noted above, is an example of this as well (laid paper).
If they do indeed use Mohawk Superfine, they should advertise that! Would be a selling point.
Do you know by any chance what the illustration reproduction method is for the Dune? I haven't looked at it in a while, but my memory is that it looked like digital printing, which also makes the paper look lower quality to me, especially on the pages where they print the whole background as a sort of faux parchment effect.
If they do indeed use Mohawk Superfine, they should advertise that! Would be a selling point.
Do you know by any chance what the illustration reproduction method is for the Dune? I haven't looked at it in a while, but my memory is that it looked like digital printing, which also makes the paper look lower quality to me, especially on the pages where they print the whole background as a sort of faux parchment effect.
110MobyRichard
>109 abysswalker:
It's listed as Mohawk Superfine on the website on the permanent Dune page. It might have been missing on the preorder page, I don't know if jerad keeps the same page after the preorders are done. Look at the bullet points on the right at https://centipedepress.com/sf/dune.html
One other thing about this edition, I flipped the dust jacket (it's printed on both sides) b/c I didn't like the Fremen "badass" on the front.
It's listed as Mohawk Superfine on the website on the permanent Dune page. It might have been missing on the preorder page, I don't know if jerad keeps the same page after the preorders are done. Look at the bullet points on the right at https://centipedepress.com/sf/dune.html
One other thing about this edition, I flipped the dust jacket (it's printed on both sides) b/c I didn't like the Fremen "badass" on the front.
111MobyRichard
>108 astropi:
I actually prefer the older Centipede Press books with three piece cloth and printed boards or sometimes quarter leather. CP Dust jackets are nice but almost every publisher does dust jackets. I also used to own the Poe but sold it a long time ago. For those who haven't seen it before, it's an interesting one b/c some of the illustrations included were not originally made for Poe (such as illustrations from the Aubrey Beardsley Le Morte D'Arthur) but for some reason all of the illustrations seemed to work for me. No idea now why I sold it.
I actually prefer the older Centipede Press books with three piece cloth and printed boards or sometimes quarter leather. CP Dust jackets are nice but almost every publisher does dust jackets. I also used to own the Poe but sold it a long time ago. For those who haven't seen it before, it's an interesting one b/c some of the illustrations included were not originally made for Poe (such as illustrations from the Aubrey Beardsley Le Morte D'Arthur) but for some reason all of the illustrations seemed to work for me. No idea now why I sold it.
112JanPospisilCZ
Can I complain (a bit) about people trying to sell the CP "Swords and Deviltry" for 800 USD?
I've managed to collect all the other Fafhrd and Grey Mouser volumes for fairly reasonable prices, but the first one has proven...elusive.
(last one I've seen on AbeBooks sold for 500-ish?. Anyway, grumble grumble!)
I've managed to collect all the other Fafhrd and Grey Mouser volumes for fairly reasonable prices, but the first one has proven...elusive.
(last one I've seen on AbeBooks sold for 500-ish?. Anyway, grumble grumble!)
113What_What
>112 JanPospisilCZ: The first book always sells at a high premium. It’s a mystery - they’re part of a series and the same number of copies were made for each volume.
114JanPospisilCZ
Yeah, I can only assume people are holding onto the first books for this reason, which in turn creates the reason to hold onto them, which in turn...
(I am equally annoyed by sellers putting books of a series together in listings. As someone who jumps into a series later, I don't want both "Mines of Behemoth" AND "Nifft the Lean". No, thanks, I actually managed to buy MoB from the publisher without a scalper fee. Of course I now cannot even find a listing for Nifft, without paying multiple times more for a book I already have. Cool.)
(I am equally annoyed by sellers putting books of a series together in listings. As someone who jumps into a series later, I don't want both "Mines of Behemoth" AND "Nifft the Lean". No, thanks, I actually managed to buy MoB from the publisher without a scalper fee. Of course I now cannot even find a listing for Nifft, without paying multiple times more for a book I already have. Cool.)
115astropi
>111 MobyRichard: I hear you! I'm also not a fan of dust jackets, I think they're way over done. That said, I do remember there were quality control issues with some early CP titles. In fact, I believe it was after MoTW Ambrose Bierce that Jerad said he's done with publishing anything in China -- apparently there were quite a few problems. That said, that was years ago and I think his books are definitely very good quality. Not letterpress quality, but certainly far and beyond what you'll find in B&N :)
116ultrarightist
>115 astropi: "That said, that was years ago and I think his books are definitely very good quality. Not letterpress quality, but certainly far and beyond what you'll find in B&N"
Agreed. I'd say CP is almost on par with Folio Society, and is some ways exceeds them in terms of design.
Agreed. I'd say CP is almost on par with Folio Society, and is some ways exceeds them in terms of design.
117curiousbook 
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>116 ultrarightist: you kidding me. CP is far above FS. However, FS exceeds some BN books
Also, don’t let me start on your so called letterpress books. I’m comparing letterpress books from my recent purchase vs my antique letterpress. No comparison, my recent ones are nice but no cigar when compared to my antique ones.
Also, don’t let me start on your so called letterpress books. I’m comparing letterpress books from my recent purchase vs my antique letterpress. No comparison, my recent ones are nice but no cigar when compared to my antique ones.
118wcarter
>117 curiousbook:
But you collect Easton Press books!
But you collect Easton Press books!
119curiousbook
>118 wcarter: I collect Easton press books? No I’m not but I do like their forum. Easton press is definitely not for me. I collect rare antique books and antique letterpress; first editions. However, I do buy books from CP, CTP, Arete, curious king and no reply press
120PartTimeBookAddict
>117 curiousbook: It is "don't get me started" and "close, but no cigar." Your hackneyed phrases could use some work.
121curiousbook
>120 PartTimeBookAddict: well, thanks internet stranger for correcting it
122ultrarightist
>117 curiousbook:
"you kidding me"
Me not kidding you.
"don’t let me start on your so called letterpress books"
I wasn't aware that I had printed or published any books, or taken credit for them. Or perhaps you think I am the evil genius behind all modern letterpress books, pulling the strings of Griffin, Tony, and others?
And I'm curious (no pun intended) what you mean by 'antique' vis-a-vis letterpress books? Is there some date cutoff you use?
"you kidding me"
Me not kidding you.
"don’t let me start on your so called letterpress books"
I wasn't aware that I had printed or published any books, or taken credit for them. Or perhaps you think I am the evil genius behind all modern letterpress books, pulling the strings of Griffin, Tony, and others?
And I'm curious (no pun intended) what you mean by 'antique' vis-a-vis letterpress books? Is there some date cutoff you use?
123Lukas1990
>122 ultrarightist: Gutenberg, Aldus, Ratdolt and Froben. 😎
124curiousbook
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>122 ultrarightist: no pun intended, but I did not have anyone in mind. Yes, I do have rare, antique letterpress books, which I like more than modern letterpress. You know that thing called personal opinion. Seriously, have no idea what you saying here, “ I wasn't aware that I had printed or published any books, or taken credit for them. Or perhaps you think I am the evil genius behind all modern letterpress books, pulling the strings of Griffin, Tony, and others?”
No idea at all.
No idea at all.
125User2024
Why is this guy/gal getting flagged? He's being a little hard-nosed but why is he getting flagged? I would like to understand.
126NathanOv
>125 User2024: More the pattern of behavior than any particular comment in this thread. They’re just clearly here to stir up trouble and not to engage in good faith.
127jroger1
>125 User2024:
I’ve wondered the same thing. He/she isn’t being disrespectful of anyone in particular, and I would like to know the answer to the question in >124 curiousbook:.
I’ve wondered the same thing. He/she isn’t being disrespectful of anyone in particular, and I would like to know the answer to the question in >124 curiousbook:.
128wcarter
>125 User2024:
He is acting like a troll.
He is acting like a troll.
130ultrarightist
>127 jroger1: What question is that?
131TomsRiverNJ
>128 wcarter: "LibraryThing prohibits personal attacks, name-calling, commercial solicitation and spam, but not much else." whoever runs this group has a duty to let people know they are abusing the flag function. it's not a disagreement button or i don't like you button
132astropi
>131 TomsRiverNJ: I would argue that trolling is a form of spam.
Regardless, I know that admins have certain powers/privileges, and if they see someone they feel is being disrespectful, etc. they absolutely can give that person a warning and then report them (I don't think they have the power to just outright ban people, but I do think they can kick them out of the group).
Regardless, I know that admins have certain powers/privileges, and if they see someone they feel is being disrespectful, etc. they absolutely can give that person a warning and then report them (I don't think they have the power to just outright ban people, but I do think they can kick them out of the group).
133jroger1
>132 astropi:
I don’t see trolling as spam. After all, we might be wrong in our judgement. The way to handle suspected trolls is to ignore them, not to flag them.
I don’t see trolling as spam. After all, we might be wrong in our judgement. The way to handle suspected trolls is to ignore them, not to flag them.
134TomsRiverNJ
>132 astropi: your argument is uninformed. spam is flooding a platform or end user to drown out everything else. just because someone who you don't like pops up at a noticeable level for you doesn't make it spam. the admins here should crack down on people abusing the report function or else they should let someone else do the job if they are just gonna watch thought police and groupthink take over. the irony of this happening in what is supposedly a highbrow well read literary group of all places
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming
135NathanOv
>131 TomsRiverNJ: This is a largely user-moderated platform, and there is nuance and room for disagreement in what constitutes spam / abuse / attacks. LibraryThing not only states this in their terms of service, but also gives you a counter-flag button if you disagree.
So, counter-flag if you are concerned about the user unfairly having their comments hidden.
So, counter-flag if you are concerned about the user unfairly having their comments hidden.
136astropi
>134 TomsRiverNJ: Per your link, Spamming is...simply repeatedly sending the same message to the same user.
Again, from that definition repeatedly saying similar things over and over could be construed as a form of spam. I'm not saying all trolling is a form of spam, but when you're trolling and just saying "this sucks, that sucks, it all sucks" I think you could make that argument. At the end of the day, we can all agree that admins are not always perfect, and sure they have to make judgement calls. I don't see anything wrong with how they're handling the situation nor does this strike me as any form of censorship.
Again, from that definition repeatedly saying similar things over and over could be construed as a form of spam. I'm not saying all trolling is a form of spam, but when you're trolling and just saying "this sucks, that sucks, it all sucks" I think you could make that argument. At the end of the day, we can all agree that admins are not always perfect, and sure they have to make judgement calls. I don't see anything wrong with how they're handling the situation nor does this strike me as any form of censorship.
137Shadekeep
I find it curious that when spamming/trolling takes place in this forum, nearly all the accounts I have blocked show up every time to chip in. It's happening here as well.
138TomsRiverNJ
>135 NathanOv: I always do. but the numbers don't add up Mason
>136 astropi: again you tend to argue everything to the last breath no matter how weak your premises are and how much of a stretch you need to make. it's not spam to have a different point of view no matter how many times the disagreement occurs. that user has also praised books including new publishers. the report function is being abused
>136 astropi: again you tend to argue everything to the last breath no matter how weak your premises are and how much of a stretch you need to make. it's not spam to have a different point of view no matter how many times the disagreement occurs. that user has also praised books including new publishers. the report function is being abused
139NathanOv
>137 Shadekeep: Since it's happened before and some of these stink of throw-away accounts, it's probably worth pointing out for everyone here that using multiple accounts to spread the same message and inflate threads with off-topic discussion would absolutely be spam.
In an attempt to get back on topic, I'm curious if anyone here has Centipede's Children of The Kingdom? In trying to research the status of their fine press edition of At Mountains of Madness, I saw Jerad say in an interview that Children was really a test run for the Lovecraft book. I'd love to hear how it came out.
In an attempt to get back on topic, I'm curious if anyone here has Centipede's Children of The Kingdom? In trying to research the status of their fine press edition of At Mountains of Madness, I saw Jerad say in an interview that Children was really a test run for the Lovecraft book. I'd love to hear how it came out.
140Pendrainllwyn
LT is a great forum. I have learned so much from everyone on here. Most people are respectful most of the time. There needs to be some boundaries and hopefully we can all self-regulate.
It's clear when I have had a post flagged by multiple people and is consequently not shown. Regretfully one of my posts got flagged. I like to think I learned from that.
It's also reasonably clear if I have multiple posts flagged. That would give me pause.
It's not clear at all when I have been blocked by one or multiple people. For all I know many people could have blocked me. That would give me pause too. Or maybe you do get notified?
I get that some people could be over-zealous flaggers. I agree that the administrators have a role to play in monitoring that. Personally I think they do a good job.
It's clear when I have had a post flagged by multiple people and is consequently not shown. Regretfully one of my posts got flagged. I like to think I learned from that.
It's also reasonably clear if I have multiple posts flagged. That would give me pause.
It's not clear at all when I have been blocked by one or multiple people. For all I know many people could have blocked me. That would give me pause too. Or maybe you do get notified?
I get that some people could be over-zealous flaggers. I agree that the administrators have a role to play in monitoring that. Personally I think they do a good job.
142ultrarightist
>139 NathanOv: I do not; however, when I asked Jerad about a year or so ago about the status of CP's fine press edition of At The Mountains of Madness, he said it was still in the works, which I take to mean it is still in the early design phase.
143MobyRichard
>139 NathanOv:
>142 ultrarightist:
Makes me a bit nostalgic for the scrappy young press/publisher days but happy for Jerad's success and you can't fault the ambition. I feel like for letterpress it'll come down to which press actually prints it to see if the letterpress experiment works out. Anyone know/remember which press Centipede would be working with?
>142 ultrarightist:
Makes me a bit nostalgic for the scrappy young press/publisher days but happy for Jerad's success and you can't fault the ambition. I feel like for letterpress it'll come down to which press actually prints it to see if the letterpress experiment works out. Anyone know/remember which press Centipede would be working with?
144NathanOv
>143 MobyRichard: Originally, it was to be hand-printed from polymer plates which limits things a fair amount. My best guess at that point would be they were talking to the likes of Rollin Milroy or Mike & Rita Tortorello for the printing.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if they've scaled back plans at least a little bit over the near-decade this had been in production. Still, it sounds like the goal is for this to be a fully fine press production and not just a normal Centipede Press title printed letterpress.
>142 ultrarightist: I believe Jerad mentioned they had finished (or were near finishing) proofing and moving on to print tests, but that it was still a ways out when I asked earlier this year.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if they've scaled back plans at least a little bit over the near-decade this had been in production. Still, it sounds like the goal is for this to be a fully fine press production and not just a normal Centipede Press title printed letterpress.
>142 ultrarightist: I believe Jerad mentioned they had finished (or were near finishing) proofing and moving on to print tests, but that it was still a ways out when I asked earlier this year.
145User2024
>131 TomsRiverNJ:
Exactly this. The old guard here tend to use the flag button as an I don’t like you button. Independent of whether that’s the case here, I’ve noticed that particular phenomenon which is why I’m seeking clarification here.
Exactly this. The old guard here tend to use the flag button as an I don’t like you button. Independent of whether that’s the case here, I’ve noticed that particular phenomenon which is why I’m seeking clarification here.
146HowardEriksonWolfe
>139 NathanOv:
I have Children of the Kingdom and am quite pleased with it, even if the wood cut illustrations are not my particular taste. Did you have any specific questions about the edition?
I have Children of the Kingdom and am quite pleased with it, even if the wood cut illustrations are not my particular taste. Did you have any specific questions about the edition?
147NathanOv
>146 HowardEriksonWolfe: Glad to hear it! Do you know who the letterpress printing was done by? Does it feel like the design and typesetting was treated differently than their other books, or is it more just a typical Centipede title done letterpress?
148astropi
>145 User2024: The old guard here tend to use the flag button as an I don’t like you button.
That's definitely not true. That said, I was looking at previous responses from curiousbook and I will say I don't find them trolling, at least not in this thread. All that said, I'm not an admin, and they obviously see all the threads. Again, no one is perfect. Rush to judgment? Can happen, but our admins are fair and I think they do a great job.
But back to the topic on hand, I'd also love to hear more about Children of the Kingdom. I'd love to know how long is the work? Was it a "good read"? Any other thoughts? Thanks in advance!
That's definitely not true. That said, I was looking at previous responses from curiousbook and I will say I don't find them trolling, at least not in this thread. All that said, I'm not an admin, and they obviously see all the threads. Again, no one is perfect. Rush to judgment? Can happen, but our admins are fair and I think they do a great job.
But back to the topic on hand, I'd also love to hear more about Children of the Kingdom. I'd love to know how long is the work? Was it a "good read"? Any other thoughts? Thanks in advance!
149antinous_in_london
>145 User2024: Surely both the ‘old guard’ and the ‘new guard’ (who can be just as trigger-happy) know that the block button is the ‘i don't like you button’ & use it accordingly - just as they would on other social media sites.
150jroger1
>149 antinous_in_london:
LT is not a social media site in the same sense as Facebook, X, etc. It is a special purpose site for book lovers and collectors. If it ever deteriorates to their level, I will quit my LT membership as I have the others.
As a member of the “old guard,” I follow the rules and don’t flag any post or block any individual unless they are insulting — never because I disagree with the opinion expressed.
LT is not a social media site in the same sense as Facebook, X, etc. It is a special purpose site for book lovers and collectors. If it ever deteriorates to their level, I will quit my LT membership as I have the others.
As a member of the “old guard,” I follow the rules and don’t flag any post or block any individual unless they are insulting — never because I disagree with the opinion expressed.
151Shadekeep
>149 antinous_in_london: the block button is the ‘i don't like you button’
It's less personal for me than that, especially as I really only "know" about a dozen people on here well enough to have any kind of opinion about them. I just see it as noise reduction, improving the overall ratio of good content on a personal level. No doubt the folks who block me feel likewise.
It's less personal for me than that, especially as I really only "know" about a dozen people on here well enough to have any kind of opinion about them. I just see it as noise reduction, improving the overall ratio of good content on a personal level. No doubt the folks who block me feel likewise.
152NathanOv
>150 jroger1: Well, if the rules are the LT terms of service, then I’d refer again to the allowance for personal discretion in flagging content.
The users flagging comments are not admins making official determinations on the rules. They’re simply using the tool available for when something feels like or looks like it might be spammy, intentionally insulting or otherwise in violation. And while those comments get automatically hidden after a point to take the strain off moderators, you always have the counter-flag available if you disagree.
The users flagging comments are not admins making official determinations on the rules. They’re simply using the tool available for when something feels like or looks like it might be spammy, intentionally insulting or otherwise in violation. And while those comments get automatically hidden after a point to take the strain off moderators, you always have the counter-flag available if you disagree.
153jroger1
>151 Shadekeep:
This “Fine Press” forum has largely become the “Letterpress” forum for many of its most active members. I respect their point of view even though I disagree with it, and I learn from everyone’s posts. And, who knows, maybe I’ll even come around to agreeing with it one day!
This “Fine Press” forum has largely become the “Letterpress” forum for many of its most active members. I respect their point of view even though I disagree with it, and I learn from everyone’s posts. And, who knows, maybe I’ll even come around to agreeing with it one day!
154antinous_in_london
>150 jroger1: This site is a social site on which people post/comment/reply/like/block etc - exactly the same as on other sites - even if you view it as an elevated form.
>151 Shadekeep: I don’t think blocking here is personal at all but noise reduction is pretty much the same as an ‘I don't like you button’ - in real life one tends not to mute/ignore people one likes ! I don't think i have ever flagged or blocked anyone on here, as usually if someone is spamming/abusive etc then the moderators take care of it.
>151 Shadekeep: I don’t think blocking here is personal at all but noise reduction is pretty much the same as an ‘I don't like you button’ - in real life one tends not to mute/ignore people one likes ! I don't think i have ever flagged or blocked anyone on here, as usually if someone is spamming/abusive etc then the moderators take care of it.
155jroger1
>154 antinous_in_london:
The “social” sites I’m familiar with talk about whatever comes to mind. LT has a special purpose limited to books. When the discussion drifts into politics or another irrelevant topic, members usually handle it by ignoring the posts. And that’s how it should be.
The “social” sites I’m familiar with talk about whatever comes to mind. LT has a special purpose limited to books. When the discussion drifts into politics or another irrelevant topic, members usually handle it by ignoring the posts. And that’s how it should be.
156antinous_in_london
>155 jroger1: The fact that the site ‘has a special purpose limited to books’ doesn’t mean it isn't a social site.
157supercell
154: It is not a job for group admins / moderators, really - they cannot be expected to keep reading new messages 24/7. It is more of a group effort. I have, over the years, flagged over 2000 spam posts (and several hundreds of offending messages on top of that) and already have 500+ kills under my belt (LT keeps track of these things for you). Basically, commercial spam needs to be reacted to quickly (i.e., both message and profile must be flagged), otherwise it will be all over the place. As for ToS violations, LT allows expressing one's own views as well as criticising another person's views, even when this is done harshly, but not direct attacks on another user's character (I always flag these). Basically, it is perfectly ok to say that FS, with its garish designs and overpriced books, primarily targets the dimwit demographic - but actually calling another user a retard for splashing out money on FS books does cross the line. Generally, trolls should just be ignored since they only seek attention. If they fail to get it, they either fade away or graduate to personal attacks, thereby becoming free game for flagging themselves.
158Shadekeep
>154 antinous_in_london: Fair dues, though I would couch it more as "I don't like what you're saying", or as is often the case here, "I don't think you are making your point in a productive or respectful manner". So to me it's less about the person than what they write, which is in turn a reflection of the persona they bring to this forum. There are certain identities here which seldom post anything of merit, but it's entirely possible that some are alter-egos of people who are "good" posters under another identity. In that case the blocking of one identity wouldn't be a reflection on the person themself, but rather of that chosen persona. As I say, I only know a handful of people behind their identities here, so I don't equate my use of the block feature with being a direct commentary on strangers as a person. If PersonaX only ever looks for things to complain about, or PersonaZ only reads posts in order to cherry-pick "gotchas" to create confrontation, then it's pretty easy to add them to the blocklist, just like I block emails that are only ever a waste of time.
Whew, that's enough on that from me. This thread should be about CP. Speaking of which, I know they are working on a pretty fantastic book, or at least I hope it will be once the artist is selected and the design decided. I have to be cryptic here because I learned about it through back channels, but it should be a right treat once it's announced.
Whew, that's enough on that from me. This thread should be about CP. Speaking of which, I know they are working on a pretty fantastic book, or at least I hope it will be once the artist is selected and the design decided. I have to be cryptic here because I learned about it through back channels, but it should be a right treat once it's announced.
159ultrarightist
>158 Shadekeep: In which genre? Sci-fi, fantasy, horror, or weird?
160Shadekeep
>159 ultrarightist: Hurm, I want to say sci-fantasy, but suspect most folks would shelve with sci-fi.
161Nightcrawl
Have any details about “At The Mountains of Madness” been disclosed aside from the fact that it will be letterpress printed? (Illustrator, trim size, approx price, etc.)
…I seem to remember some of these details being revealed, but it’s been a while. Maybe I imagined it lol.
…I seem to remember some of these details being revealed, but it’s been a while. Maybe I imagined it lol.
162NathanOv
>161 Nightcrawl: They put out a full prospectus in 2011 which you can find shared on LT here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/225012#7936198
I assume details have changed to some extent, though. Hopefully the limitations for the letterpress edition has increased due to interest, but I'm personally curious if they succeeded in acquiring the original HP Lovecraft signatures, though it would probably be out of my reach and I'm not sure I'd want anything handled by the man himself anyway.
I assume details have changed to some extent, though. Hopefully the limitations for the letterpress edition has increased due to interest, but I'm personally curious if they succeeded in acquiring the original HP Lovecraft signatures, though it would probably be out of my reach and I'm not sure I'd want anything handled by the man himself anyway.
163Nightcrawl
>162 NathanOv: Wow! I knew it was announced a while ago, but…2011…
I imagine, as you say, details must have evolved quite a bit since then. I’d be curious about the signatures as well. Definitely would be out of reach for me, but hopefully the cloth board letterpress edition would be attainable.
I imagine, as you say, details must have evolved quite a bit since then. I’d be curious about the signatures as well. Definitely would be out of reach for me, but hopefully the cloth board letterpress edition would be attainable.
164HowardEriksonWolfe
>147 NathanOv:
Hmm. I do not recall feeling as though the layout, etc was any major departure but I am not of the opinion that Centipede books use any set standard layout format. In my opinion, Jerad usually does a great job fitting the design and construction of each book to the content, not that I own or have inspected every single CP release. I will be happy to check on the letterpress printing for you but I am away from home at the moment and won’t be back until the 10th. Once I’ve had a chance to look, I’ll be sure to let you know what I find.
Hmm. I do not recall feeling as though the layout, etc was any major departure but I am not of the opinion that Centipede books use any set standard layout format. In my opinion, Jerad usually does a great job fitting the design and construction of each book to the content, not that I own or have inspected every single CP release. I will be happy to check on the letterpress printing for you but I am away from home at the moment and won’t be back until the 10th. Once I’ve had a chance to look, I’ll be sure to let you know what I find.
165Nightcrawl
>147 NathanOv: I don’t own it, but I seem to recall reading that it was printed by Dependable Letterpress. Headed by Joel Benson, this is the same team that printed Nawakum’s Bonsai book.
I would imagine that Jerad had planned to use them for “Mountains of Madness” as well, but unfortunately, according to their website, they closed down operations in January.
I would imagine that Jerad had planned to use them for “Mountains of Madness” as well, but unfortunately, according to their website, they closed down operations in January.
166What_What
I agree the Flag button is abused - many times my comments have been flagged just because I’m spitting the uncomfortable truth. But that’s how it is.
Now can we get back to Centipede Press, and move the spam/troll discussion to a new thread.
Now can we get back to Centipede Press, and move the spam/troll discussion to a new thread.
167booksforreading
>147 NathanOv:
Printed by Dependable Letterpress, San Francisco, California.
Binding by Roswell Bookbinding, Arizona.
Typeset in Poliphilus with Blado italic.
Printed by Dependable Letterpress, San Francisco, California.
Binding by Roswell Bookbinding, Arizona.
Typeset in Poliphilus with Blado italic.
168NathanOv
>167 booksforreading: Thank you - curious to see who they one to replace Joel, but he’s an excellent craftsman who’s worked on some very high caliber books, so I’m hopeful that means Centipede is still aiming high with this one.
Anyone know if Roswell is one of Centipede’s typical binders, or who they might be looking at for fine / speciality bindings as well?
Anyone know if Roswell is one of Centipede’s typical binders, or who they might be looking at for fine / speciality bindings as well?
