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2John5918
If we the Black voters ‘get loud’, neither the Tories nor Donald Trump will survive (Guardian)
By Al Sharpton
By Al Sharpton
On both sides of the Atlantic, populists are peddling racism. I’m here in the UK to urge Black communities to see it for what it is... Donald Trump’s racist mentality has long been an open secret. In the 1970s, a federal lawsuit was brought against him for alleged racial discrimination on one of his housing developments in New York. He led the campaign calling for the death penalty against the Central Park Five, who were accused of a brutal rape but later vindicated. Even after that exoneration, he continued to suggest they were guilty. So are Black Americans flocking to support Trump? Reports are mixed. Trump himself would tell you he has a unique affinity with the Black community, but personally, I don’t buy it. Polling in 2020 estimated Trump would take 20% of the black vote. The real number was closer to 8%. After all, let’s remember what he says about us. Just this weekend, he said that Black Americans identified with him because he had faced criminal charges and we embraced his criminal mugshot. That was outright racist and insulting. For him to say that during Black History Month in the US is the epitome of an insult. And the irony is that he is the one being prosecuted – and by Black professionals at that. The New York state attorney general, Letitia James, brought the financially ruinous civil financial fraud case against Trump. Fani Willis, Fulton county district attorney, was responsible for challenging Trump’s alleged election interference in Georgia. I spend a lot of time speaking with Black voters. I host a US radio show six days a week – and from what I hear, I’m not alone in thinking that claims that he has growing support among our community are grossly exaggerated. But I do think it is fair to say that Black citizens are asking questions of the Democrats. Joe Biden has simply not done a good enough job on messaging. He needs to be more aggressive in speaking to Black voters – laying out his record... Biden should not assume people know what they haven’t been reminded of. US liberals must understand that if you take the high road and are not making noise about it, no one knows that you’re taking any road. They have to be more vocal, they have to challenge more, and not run away from the issue of race...
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Eric Holder {frmr AG} @EricHolder | 11:22 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
There is no cavalry coming. No miracle solution. No saviors.
In the end, we, the American people - not any of our institutions - have to save our democracy by voting in defense of that democracy this fall.
We are the cavalry. The responsibility is ours.
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The Intellectualist @highbrow_nobrow | 7h • 3 tweets • 1 min read • Read on X
🚨By deciding to entertain Donald Trump’s appeal {immunity} and shelving the arguments till April, the U.S. Supreme Court has blatantly thrown its lot in with political maneuvering to favor Trump. The {DC} appellate court’s logic, unassailable, is now overshadowed by the Supreme Court’s apparent disregard for justice.
This Supreme Court has unabashedly revealed its priorities: not the law, not justice, but securing politically convenient outcomes.
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The Intellectualist @highbrow_nobrow | 8:28 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
This does not necessarily mean that Trump will win. In fact, the electoral landscape appears unfavorable for him as the GOP is divided into two factions: MAGA and non-MAGA.
However, U.S. institutions tasked with protecting the Constitution are either not acting swiftly enough or seem complicit in allowing Trump to potentially evade justice permanently.
The Supreme Court, increasingly perceived as a political entity since 2000, is compromising its own legitimacy by seemingly going out of its way to align with Trump's political interests.
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Laurence Tribe 🇺🇦 ⚖️ @tribelaw | 8:49 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
Exactly right. This is inexcusable, from how long it took SCOTUS to decide to hear the case, to giving the parties so long before the argument in late April. But the initial problem was how slow AG Garland was out of the gate.
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Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney · 7h
Delaying the January 6 trial suppresses critical evidence that Americans deserve to hear. Donald Trump attempted to overturn an election and seize power. Our justice system must be able to bring him to trial before the next election. SCOTUS should decide this case promptly.
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Bill Hamilton Supports Democracy @BHamilton001 | 6:48 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
The Supremes fast tracked the Colorado case to keep him on the ballot. They now wait three times as long to hear a case that could hurt him politically.
Fairly obvious what they’re doing.
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Frank Figliuzzi @FrankFigliuzzi1 | 8:10 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
FBI Assistant Director (ret); NBC News National Security Analyst http://nbcnews.com @nbcnews @msnbc
“…Does a former president enjoy presidential immunity…for conduct alleged to involve official acts”. No, that’s not the issue Supreme Court. The issue is whether he has immunity for CRIMINAL acts. Of course he has immunity for official acts. They’ve told us how they’re leaning.
Text, Certiorari granted ( https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1763008788401963146 )
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Anderson Cooper 360° @AC360 | 8:44 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
Harvard Law School professor & constitutional scholar TribeLaw
joins Anderson to discuss the Supreme Court agreeing to hear the former President's immunity claim.
5:50 ( https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1763017250443849915 )
There is no cavalry coming. No miracle solution. No saviors.
In the end, we, the American people - not any of our institutions - have to save our democracy by voting in defense of that democracy this fall.
We are the cavalry. The responsibility is ours.
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The Intellectualist @highbrow_nobrow | 7h • 3 tweets • 1 min read • Read on X
🚨By deciding to entertain Donald Trump’s appeal {immunity} and shelving the arguments till April, the U.S. Supreme Court has blatantly thrown its lot in with political maneuvering to favor Trump. The {DC} appellate court’s logic, unassailable, is now overshadowed by the Supreme Court’s apparent disregard for justice.
This Supreme Court has unabashedly revealed its priorities: not the law, not justice, but securing politically convenient outcomes.
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The Intellectualist @highbrow_nobrow | 8:28 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
This does not necessarily mean that Trump will win. In fact, the electoral landscape appears unfavorable for him as the GOP is divided into two factions: MAGA and non-MAGA.
However, U.S. institutions tasked with protecting the Constitution are either not acting swiftly enough or seem complicit in allowing Trump to potentially evade justice permanently.
The Supreme Court, increasingly perceived as a political entity since 2000, is compromising its own legitimacy by seemingly going out of its way to align with Trump's political interests.
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Laurence Tribe 🇺🇦 ⚖️ @tribelaw | 8:49 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
Exactly right. This is inexcusable, from how long it took SCOTUS to decide to hear the case, to giving the parties so long before the argument in late April. But the initial problem was how slow AG Garland was out of the gate.
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Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney · 7h
Delaying the January 6 trial suppresses critical evidence that Americans deserve to hear. Donald Trump attempted to overturn an election and seize power. Our justice system must be able to bring him to trial before the next election. SCOTUS should decide this case promptly.
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Bill Hamilton Supports Democracy @BHamilton001 | 6:48 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
The Supremes fast tracked the Colorado case to keep him on the ballot. They now wait three times as long to hear a case that could hurt him politically.
Fairly obvious what they’re doing.
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Frank Figliuzzi @FrankFigliuzzi1 | 8:10 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
FBI Assistant Director (ret); NBC News National Security Analyst http://nbcnews.com @nbcnews @msnbc
“…Does a former president enjoy presidential immunity…for conduct alleged to involve official acts”. No, that’s not the issue Supreme Court. The issue is whether he has immunity for CRIMINAL acts. Of course he has immunity for official acts. They’ve told us how they’re leaning.
Text, Certiorari granted ( https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1763008788401963146 )
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Anderson Cooper 360° @AC360 | 8:44 PM · Feb 28, 2024:
Harvard Law School professor & constitutional scholar TribeLaw
joins Anderson to discuss the Supreme Court agreeing to hear the former President's immunity claim.
5:50 ( https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1763017250443849915 )
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>3 margd: which means the first (and only?) trial to inform American voters before the Nov 2024 election is
Trump’s first criminal trial set for March in N.Y. on hush money charges
Shayna Jacobs and Devlin Barrett | February 15, 2024
At a hearing in Manhattan, Donald Trump’s defense lawyers argued that the case will interfere with his presidential campaign...
New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan said he will go forward with the trial on charges that Trump falsified business records during the heat of the 2016 political campaign to keep secret a past sexual liaison with an adult-film star. The judge said he expects the trial to take about six weeks.
...In 2016, with the presidential election looming, Cohen paid adult-film actress Stormy Daniels $130,000 to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with Trump years earlier. Bragg has accused Trump of reimbursing Cohen for that hush money with payments described as legal fees, when in fact they were a campaign expense meant to keep Trump’s presidential bid untarnished by tawdry allegations of a tryst.
Cohen is expected to testify for the prosecution. But he pleaded guilty in federal court to financial crimes and false statements, and lawyers generally view his credibility as a weakness in the case.
Trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records, a felony in New York when the purpose of the fraud is to “commit another crime or to aid or conceal” an illegal act. In announcing the charges, Bragg said the goal of Trump’s scheme was to cover up violations of the law including New York and federal campaign finance rules. Bragg also said the $130,000 payment exceeded the federal campaign contribution cap...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/15/trump-new-york-hush-money-tri...
Trump’s first criminal trial set for March in N.Y. on hush money charges
Shayna Jacobs and Devlin Barrett | February 15, 2024
At a hearing in Manhattan, Donald Trump’s defense lawyers argued that the case will interfere with his presidential campaign...
New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan said he will go forward with the trial on charges that Trump falsified business records during the heat of the 2016 political campaign to keep secret a past sexual liaison with an adult-film star. The judge said he expects the trial to take about six weeks.
...In 2016, with the presidential election looming, Cohen paid adult-film actress Stormy Daniels $130,000 to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with Trump years earlier. Bragg has accused Trump of reimbursing Cohen for that hush money with payments described as legal fees, when in fact they were a campaign expense meant to keep Trump’s presidential bid untarnished by tawdry allegations of a tryst.
Cohen is expected to testify for the prosecution. But he pleaded guilty in federal court to financial crimes and false statements, and lawyers generally view his credibility as a weakness in the case.
Trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records, a felony in New York when the purpose of the fraud is to “commit another crime or to aid or conceal” an illegal act. In announcing the charges, Bragg said the goal of Trump’s scheme was to cover up violations of the law including New York and federal campaign finance rules. Bragg also said the $130,000 payment exceeded the federal campaign contribution cap...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/15/trump-new-york-hush-money-tri...
5John5918
‘I don’t know’: Nikki Haley unsure Trump would follow constitution (Guardian)
Asked if she thought Donald Trump would follow the US constitution if he is elected for a second term as president, Nikki Haley said: “I don’t know”... Trump’s campaign rhetoric has been characteristically dark, including a wish to be a “dictator” on day one in office and promises to take “ultimate and absolute revenge” on his enemies. He has mused about “vindication” and about “terminating” the constitution. Haley said: “You know, when you … go and you talk about revenge – when you go and you talk about, you know, vindication {and} when you go and you talk about – what does that mean? Like, I don’t know what that means, and only he can answer for that. What I can answer for is, I don’t think there should ever be a president that’s above the law. I don’t think that there should ever be a president that has total immunity to do whatever they want to do”...
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The Man Who Now Controls the U.S. Border
David Frum | March 1, 2024
Mexico’s president gets to determine whether an immigration crisis dominates headlines in a U.S. election year.
...In the effort to contain unauthorized migration to the U.S., Mexico is an on-again, off-again partner. Sometimes it helps more; sometimes less...
...The United States flashes the message “You can probably stay if you get here” and then quietly looks to its southern neighbor to magnify the dangers of that tempting if.
...Delegating the job of border enforcement to Mexico also creates opportunities for Mexican leaders to influence U.S. politics...month-by-month tally of unauthorized crossings into the U.S...spiked in the second half of {2023--midterms}, exceeding 250,000...An American president up for reelection might look at that slideshow from his Mexican counterpart and see not merely an analysis but a threat about the trouble that the counterpart could stir or soothe. The migrant traffic has slowed in the first weeks of 2024.
...The border deal that failed to pass the U.S. Senate earlier this month was intended to reassert American control over entry into the U.S. Rejection of the deal shifts power over the border, back into López Obrador’s eager hands...Mexico faces an election of its own in June...López Obrador has proclaimed again and again his preference for Donald Trump over Joe Biden...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/03/how-trumps-veto-on-border-secu...
David Frum | March 1, 2024
Mexico’s president gets to determine whether an immigration crisis dominates headlines in a U.S. election year.
...In the effort to contain unauthorized migration to the U.S., Mexico is an on-again, off-again partner. Sometimes it helps more; sometimes less...
...The United States flashes the message “You can probably stay if you get here” and then quietly looks to its southern neighbor to magnify the dangers of that tempting if.
...Delegating the job of border enforcement to Mexico also creates opportunities for Mexican leaders to influence U.S. politics...month-by-month tally of unauthorized crossings into the U.S...spiked in the second half of {2023--midterms}, exceeding 250,000...An American president up for reelection might look at that slideshow from his Mexican counterpart and see not merely an analysis but a threat about the trouble that the counterpart could stir or soothe. The migrant traffic has slowed in the first weeks of 2024.
...The border deal that failed to pass the U.S. Senate earlier this month was intended to reassert American control over entry into the U.S. Rejection of the deal shifts power over the border, back into López Obrador’s eager hands...Mexico faces an election of its own in June...López Obrador has proclaimed again and again his preference for Donald Trump over Joe Biden...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/03/how-trumps-veto-on-border-secu...
7John5918
Joe Biden’s disapproval rating reaches new high, according to new poll (Guardian)
The president has a 47% disapproval rating, but it’s a mixed bag when accounting for ‘double haters’ – those who dislike Trump too...
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Breaking: Nikki Haley says she's no longer bound by the RNC pledge to endorse Trump if he wins the Republican nomination.
"The RNC is not the same RNC," she says, telling @MeetThePress, "now it's Trump's" RNC.
- Kyle Griffin {MSNBC} | @kylegriffin19:20 AM · Mar 3, 2024
"The RNC is not the same RNC," she says, telling @MeetThePress, "now it's Trump's" RNC.
- Kyle Griffin {MSNBC} | @kylegriffin19:20 AM · Mar 3, 2024
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Breaking: Supreme Court rules former President Trump should appear on the ballot in Colorado, a decision with nationwide implications that could put to rest, for now, the debate over whether the 14th Amendment bars him from office because of his role in January 6.
- Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto | 10:11 AM · Mar 4, 2024
CNN Anchor & Chief Nat Sec Analyst
- Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto | 10:11 AM · Mar 4, 2024
CNN Anchor & Chief Nat Sec Analyst
11davidgn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQdUSDqPJrw
In the Supreme Court ruling on whether former President Donald Trump can be removed from the ballot in Colorado, or in any other state, four justices write concurring opinions, stating that they agree with the court’s ruling, but disagree with how far the ruling goes. Lawrence Tribe joins Katy Tur to discuss the details and explain what these disagreements mean. “When the court decides more than it needs to decide to resolve a case, then it is acting not like a court, but basically like a super legislature. That's what the court did in this case,” Tribe tells Katy. “It left basically unenforced, and for all practical purposes unenforceable, the Constitution's main protection for democracy when it is threatened by a would-be dictator who tries to overthrow the Constitution, stay in power beyond the end of his term, doesn't quite succeed, and then tries again.”
Greetings from Latin American, BTW. I've decided it's a good time to start working on my Spanish.
In the Supreme Court ruling on whether former President Donald Trump can be removed from the ballot in Colorado, or in any other state, four justices write concurring opinions, stating that they agree with the court’s ruling, but disagree with how far the ruling goes. Lawrence Tribe joins Katy Tur to discuss the details and explain what these disagreements mean. “When the court decides more than it needs to decide to resolve a case, then it is acting not like a court, but basically like a super legislature. That's what the court did in this case,” Tribe tells Katy. “It left basically unenforced, and for all practical purposes unenforceable, the Constitution's main protection for democracy when it is threatened by a would-be dictator who tries to overthrow the Constitution, stay in power beyond the end of his term, doesn't quite succeed, and then tries again.”
Greetings from Latin American, BTW. I've decided it's a good time to start working on my Spanish.
12Molly3028
Trump has managed to turn a Rush Limbaugh radio schtick into a 21st century phenomenon with the introduction of a red hat and the MAGA tag line. Trump is this century's Marlboro Man. The tobacco barons and Madison Avenue types from yesteryear would be very proud of their 21st Century counterpart.
13kiparsky
Does anyone remember when Barrett said “my goal today is to convince you that this court is not comprised of a bunch of partisan hacks”?
I guess that didn't really work for her, so she's trying something new...
I guess that didn't really work for her, so she's trying something new...
14Molly3028
https://www.nj.com/news/2024/03/liz-cheney-announces-her-latest-effort-to-keep-t...
Liz Cheney announces her latest plan to keep Trump out of White House
On Wednesday, after Trump’s GOP rival, Nikki Haley, withdrew from the Republican presidential primary, Cheney announced her latest effort: a Political Action Committee aimed at helping President Biden get re-elected.
The PAC is named “The Great Task,” after a speech given by Abraham Lincoln.
https://greattask.com/
Liz Cheney announces her latest plan to keep Trump out of White House
On Wednesday, after Trump’s GOP rival, Nikki Haley, withdrew from the Republican presidential primary, Cheney announced her latest effort: a Political Action Committee aimed at helping President Biden get re-elected.
The PAC is named “The Great Task,” after a speech given by Abraham Lincoln.
https://greattask.com/
16John5918
Put yourself in the shoes of a Donald Trump voter – and understand what drives his success (Guardian)
Within Trump’s wild exaggerations are grains of truth. Liberals have never dealt with them – and that’s why he might win again... Donald Trump is certain to be the Republican candidate in this year’s election for US president. He is also currently favourite to win. To most readers of the Guardian, I am sure this prospect is appalling, as it is to most Britons. The nation to which they gave birth and language, that has been their friend and protector down the ages, seems to be going mad. Britons who know the US are amazed that, however reluctantly, enough of its voters might again choose Trump to rule over them after the experience of 2017 to 2021. Who are these Americans? How can they be so blind to his faults, with the law hounding him, gossip ridiculing him and commentators pouring scorn and derision on his every word? The answer is that the Americans who support Trump are not those whom most Britons know. They are elderly and rural: they are often, but by no means solely, working class and/or non-graduates. But, above all, they love Trump because they, too, are hostile to the Americans that he purports to hate. These hated Americans – the language of Trump’s rallies is visceral – mostly live in big cities down the east and west coasts. They favour federal government, identity politics, social liberalism and free trade. They are led by a college-educated, liberal establishment. Of course, these are generalisations – but that is what Trump trades in...
17Molly3028
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68517606
Trump ally Michael Whatley and daughter-in-law Lara Trump take over at RNC
In his new hand-picked recruits, Mr Trump has found both an ally committed to backing his election fraud claims and a family member apparently devoted to supporting him with party funds.
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Trump, Trump Jr., Eric and their women have got to be the happiest and luckiest grifting family the USA has ever seen, bar none!
Trump ally Michael Whatley and daughter-in-law Lara Trump take over at RNC
In his new hand-picked recruits, Mr Trump has found both an ally committed to backing his election fraud claims and a family member apparently devoted to supporting him with party funds.
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Trump, Trump Jr., Eric and their women have got to be the happiest and luckiest grifting family the USA has ever seen, bar none!
18Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/im-very-young-energetic-and-handsome-biden-jok...
‘I’m Very Young Energetic and Handsome!’ Biden Jokes About Age Concerns In New Post-SOTU Ad
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The funny part comes after the actual Biden for President ad.
‘I’m Very Young Energetic and Handsome!’ Biden Jokes About Age Concerns In New Post-SOTU Ad
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The funny part comes after the actual Biden for President ad.
19Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/what-the-fck-are-we-doing-jon-stewart-goes-off-on-go...
‘What the F*ck Are We Doing?!’ Jon Stewart Goes OFF on GOP’s ‘Patriotism’ Amid Trump’s Unconstitutional Threats
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUl77rsFEw
(To see the whole segment)
Trumpism is a 2020’s virus for which there is no vaccine.
‘What the F*ck Are We Doing?!’ Jon Stewart Goes OFF on GOP’s ‘Patriotism’ Amid Trump’s Unconstitutional Threats
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUl77rsFEw
(To see the whole segment)
Trumpism is a 2020’s virus for which there is no vaccine.
20Molly3028
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-not-endorsing-donald-trump-1879863
Mike Pence Not Endorsing Donald Trump
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Has the Earth left its axis?
Mike Pence Not Endorsing Donald Trump
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Has the Earth left its axis?
21Molly3028
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/16/trump-bloodbath-biden-november-00147453
Trump says country faces ‘bloodbath’ if Biden wins in November
“Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it,” Trump said during a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”
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During his rallies, he appears to be intermittingly imbedding J6-type marching orders to his MAGA cult followers. Pence made the right decision, but he failed to use the most demonstrable reason for that decision.
Trump says country faces ‘bloodbath’ if Biden wins in November
“Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it,” Trump said during a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”
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During his rallies, he appears to be intermittingly imbedding J6-type marching orders to his MAGA cult followers. Pence made the right decision, but he failed to use the most demonstrable reason for that decision.
23Molly3028
Trump purposefully muddled the context of his "bloodbath" statement in order to send his cult voters a keep-the-faith message and to give clueless GOP reps the ability to assert that the statement was nothing to get upset about.
24Molly3028
The "bloodbath" episode and what it illustrates about the Trump era ~
Trump's enablers see each situation as a puzzle piece which does not fit together with any other puzzle pieces. Trump's detractors, on the other hand, see a puzzle piece which fits together with other puzzle pieces and reveals a very scary scenario going forward.
Trump's enablers see each situation as a puzzle piece which does not fit together with any other puzzle pieces. Trump's detractors, on the other hand, see a puzzle piece which fits together with other puzzle pieces and reveals a very scary scenario going forward.
25margd
How many groups can Rs tick off before the 2024 election?
Women, Jews, elderly, sick, poor, help me here: __________.
Laurie Garrett @Laurie_Garrett | 10:03 AM · Mar 21, 2024:
Former Sr Fellow @CFR_org {Council on Foreign Relations}. Recipient of Pulitzer Prize, Polk (2Xs) and Peabody Awards.
ICYMI the House #Republicans finally released a U.S. budget, countering the #BidenAdministration proposal. The GOP budget:
- cuts $1.5 trillion from Social Security
- raises Medicare costs & cuts caps on pharma fees
- cuts Medicaid, ACA/Obamacare & the Children’s Health Insurance Prog by $4.5 trillion over 10 years
- creates $5.5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich and corporations
- eliminates all clean energy tax incentives
- raises Social Security Retirement age to 69.
And now, #Biden reaction to #Republican budget proposal:
https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1770841167476777081/photo/1
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/21/statemen...
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DebJM @DebJM45
Also, caps SS payouts, removes the spousal benefit and childrens death benefit, repeals preexisting condition coverage...and more. This will affect current retirees & seniors will forgo treatment. @AARPpolicy
@AARP you had best be writing articles and getting on TV about this.
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Budget Proposal Shows GOP 'Is the Party of Cutting Social Security and Medicare'
Jessica Corbett | Mar 20, 2024
"Trump has tried to walk back his support for Social Security and Medicare cuts," said the head of Social Security Works. "This budget is one of many reasons why no one should believe him."...
https://www.commondreams.org/news/social-security-cuts
_____________________________
Fiscal Sanity to Save America
Republican Study Committee FY 2025 {starts 1 Oct 2024}
180p
https://hern.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_budget_including_letter_web_version.p...
Women, Jews, elderly, sick, poor, help me here: __________.
Laurie Garrett @Laurie_Garrett | 10:03 AM · Mar 21, 2024:
Former Sr Fellow @CFR_org {Council on Foreign Relations}. Recipient of Pulitzer Prize, Polk (2Xs) and Peabody Awards.
ICYMI the House #Republicans finally released a U.S. budget, countering the #BidenAdministration proposal. The GOP budget:
- cuts $1.5 trillion from Social Security
- raises Medicare costs & cuts caps on pharma fees
- cuts Medicaid, ACA/Obamacare & the Children’s Health Insurance Prog by $4.5 trillion over 10 years
- creates $5.5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich and corporations
- eliminates all clean energy tax incentives
- raises Social Security Retirement age to 69.
And now, #Biden reaction to #Republican budget proposal:
https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1770841167476777081/photo/1
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/21/statemen...
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DebJM @DebJM45
Also, caps SS payouts, removes the spousal benefit and childrens death benefit, repeals preexisting condition coverage...and more. This will affect current retirees & seniors will forgo treatment. @AARPpolicy
@AARP you had best be writing articles and getting on TV about this.
_____________________________
Budget Proposal Shows GOP 'Is the Party of Cutting Social Security and Medicare'
Jessica Corbett | Mar 20, 2024
"Trump has tried to walk back his support for Social Security and Medicare cuts," said the head of Social Security Works. "This budget is one of many reasons why no one should believe him."...
https://www.commondreams.org/news/social-security-cuts
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Fiscal Sanity to Save America
Republican Study Committee FY 2025 {starts 1 Oct 2024}
180p
https://hern.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_budget_including_letter_web_version.p...
26margd
There will be few funds left for down-ballot R candidates...
Trump’s invite to major donors prioritizes the committee paying his legal bills over the RNC
MICHELLE L. PRICE
Updated 8:42 PM EDT, March 21, 2024
...Trump’s new joint fundraising agreement with the Republican National Committee directs donations to his campaign and a political action committee that pays the former president’s legal bills before the RNC gets a cut, according to a fundraising invitation...likely that Republican donors could see their money go to Trump’s lawyers, who have received at least $76 million over the last two years to defend him against four felony indictments and multiple civil cases. Some Republicans are already troubled that Trump’s takeover of the RNC could shortchange the cash-strapped party...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-fundraising-rnc-c0e8f1e7b59f70c5237e13...
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However,
“...Trump leads many national and swing state polls, a sign that his attempts to spin his flurry of legal duress as persecution are working among many Republican voters...{Moreover, his}frenzied search for money...suggests troubling conflicts of interest if he turns to private donors — or overseas sources — to find the money in an 11th-hour dash for cash. ”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/politics/trump-bond-deadline/index.html
Trump’s invite to major donors prioritizes the committee paying his legal bills over the RNC
MICHELLE L. PRICE
Updated 8:42 PM EDT, March 21, 2024
...Trump’s new joint fundraising agreement with the Republican National Committee directs donations to his campaign and a political action committee that pays the former president’s legal bills before the RNC gets a cut, according to a fundraising invitation...likely that Republican donors could see their money go to Trump’s lawyers, who have received at least $76 million over the last two years to defend him against four felony indictments and multiple civil cases. Some Republicans are already troubled that Trump’s takeover of the RNC could shortchange the cash-strapped party...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-fundraising-rnc-c0e8f1e7b59f70c5237e13...
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However,
“...Trump leads many national and swing state polls, a sign that his attempts to spin his flurry of legal duress as persecution are working among many Republican voters...{Moreover, his}frenzied search for money...suggests troubling conflicts of interest if he turns to private donors — or overseas sources — to find the money in an 11th-hour dash for cash. ”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/politics/trump-bond-deadline/index.html
27JGL53
> 26
In my opinion this is all good news for Democrat candidates, not just Biden.
Recent polls mainly show an upward trend for Biden, coming from so-called independents or previously undecided.
But what do polls really tell us in March? Let's see where the polls are in August. I might could get excited about them them. Now? - not hardly at all.
In my opinion this is all good news for Democrat candidates, not just Biden.
Recent polls mainly show an upward trend for Biden, coming from so-called independents or previously undecided.
But what do polls really tell us in March? Let's see where the polls are in August. I might could get excited about them them. Now? - not hardly at all.
28John5918
‘It’ll be bedlam’: how Trump is creating conditions for a post-election eruption (Guardian)
As the ex-president fans the flames of violence, experts and insiders say November will be a brutal test for US democracy... A bloodbath. The end of democracy. Riots in the streets. Bedlam in the country. Donald Trump has made apocalyptic imagery a defining feature of his presidential election campaign, warning supporters that if he does not win – and avoid criminal prosecution – the US will enter its death throes. The prophecies of doom, repeated ad nauseam at rallies and on social media, have raised fears that the former president is making an electoral tinderbox that could explode in November. While there has been much commentary assessing the implications of a Trump win, some experts warn that a Trump defeat could provide an equally severe stress test of American democracy. “Regardless of whether Donald Trump wins or loses, there’s going to be violence”... “If Donald Trump loses, he’s not going to concede and he’s going to inspire people to commit acts of violence, just like he did in the weeks and months leading up to January 6, 2021. If he wins, I also believe that there’s going to be violence committed by his supporters, targeting people who previously tried to hold him to account, whether it was members of the press, average citizens like myself, Department of Justice officials, state and federal prosecutors. I believe him when he says that he will have his vengeance.” Trump has long sought to sow distrust in the electoral system while using rhetoric outside the boundaries of modern political discourse, dehumanising opponents and immigrants and portraying the US as a nation on the verge of collapse...
29John5918
Trump’s bizarre, vindictive incoherence has to be heard in full to be believed (Guardian)
Donald Trump’s speeches on the 2024 campaign trail so far have been focused on a laundry list of complaints, largely personal, and an increasingly menacing tone. He’s on the campaign trail less these days than he was in previous cycles – and less than you’d expect from a guy with dedicated superfans who brags about the size of his crowds every chance he gets. But when he has held rallies, he speaks in dark, dehumanizing terms about migrants, promising to vanquish people crossing the border. He rails about the legal battles he faces and how they’re a sign he’s winning, actually. He tells lies and invents fictions. He calls his opponent a threat to democracy and claims this election could be the last one. Trump’s tone, as many have noted, is decidedly more vengeful this time around, as he seeks to reclaim the White House after a bruising loss that he insists was a steal. This alone is a cause for concern, foreshadowing what the Trump presidency redux could look like. But he’s also, quite frequently, rambling and incoherent, running off on tangents that would grab headlines for their oddness should any other candidate say them...
30margd
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Molly Ploofkins™ @Mollyploofkins | 6:39 AM · Apr 8, 2024:
Retired Army Medic | Registered Nurse | Pro-Democracy News/Politics/
Trump posts bizarre solar eclipse ad – with his head blocking out the sun, plunging the US into darkness...
1:25 ( https://twitter.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1777285027740414056 )
Molly Ploofkins™ @Mollyploofkins | 6:39 AM · Apr 8, 2024:
Retired Army Medic | Registered Nurse | Pro-Democracy News/Politics/
Trump posts bizarre solar eclipse ad – with his head blocking out the sun, plunging the US into darkness...
1:25 ( https://twitter.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1777285027740414056 )
31Molly3028
>30 margd:
Trump posted the video
AND
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/jim-jordans-committee-posts-image-from-weird-trum...
Jim Jordan’s Committee Posts Image from Weird Trump Video Showing Ex-President Blocking Out the Sun
The image was taken from a campaign video Trump posted on his Truth Social account, apparently inferring that his MAGA presence is “eclipsing” political dissenters and Never Trumpers.
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And the perps involved profess that MAGA is not a cult.
Trump posted the video
AND
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/jim-jordans-committee-posts-image-from-weird-trum...
Jim Jordan’s Committee Posts Image from Weird Trump Video Showing Ex-President Blocking Out the Sun
The image was taken from a campaign video Trump posted on his Truth Social account, apparently inferring that his MAGA presence is “eclipsing” political dissenters and Never Trumpers.
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And the perps involved profess that MAGA is not a cult.
32Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-insists-truth-social-shows-love-of-our-coun...
Trump Insists Truth Social Shows ‘Love of our Country’ and Asks Fans to ‘Support’ It as Stock Price — and His Net Worth — Plummets
Trump Insists Truth Social Shows ‘Love of our Country’ and Asks Fans to ‘Support’ It as Stock Price — and His Net Worth — Plummets
33John5918
For all his bombast, Trump is plummeting – financially, legally and politically (Guardian)
He’s losing cash reserves and legal gambits, and his eponymous stock – DJT – took an embarrassing tumble this week...
34margd
Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews | 6:35 PM · Mar 29, 2023:
Columnist @TheDailyBeast, creator of the Russian Media Monitor, sanctioned by Russia, member of @TheEmmys. I watch Russian state TV, so you don't have to.
Meanwhile in Russia: state TV propagandists predict that Russia will destroy Ukraine, while Trump destroys America. One expert claimed that Slavic history spans 7.5 thousand years and compared to Russia, the 250-year-old America is just a toddler.
3:52 Russian w English subtitles ( https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1641207594491555846 ) ( )
Columnist @TheDailyBeast, creator of the Russian Media Monitor, sanctioned by Russia, member of @TheEmmys. I watch Russian state TV, so you don't have to.
Meanwhile in Russia: state TV propagandists predict that Russia will destroy Ukraine, while Trump destroys America. One expert claimed that Slavic history spans 7.5 thousand years and compared to Russia, the 250-year-old America is just a toddler.
3:52 Russian w English subtitles ( https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1641207594491555846 ) ( )
35John5918
Biden closes gap on Trump but third-party candidates pose danger, polls show (Guardian)
Multiple new polls show Joe Biden strengthening slightly in the US presidential election, but suggest third-party candidates could present a risk to his chance of carrying the White House in November. According to a New York Times/Siena College poll released on Saturday, Biden has whittled down the four-point lead Donald Trump held in February, with Trump leading Biden 46% to 45% among registered voters... Asked a follow-up question that added the independent candidates Robert F Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer and vaccine sceptic, the Harvard professor Cornel West, and the Green party figure Jill Stein, Biden took the greater hit to his support, leveling with Trump at 38%. With Kennedy at 11%, West at 2%, and Stein at 1%, Jones calculated that Kennedy’s presence siphoned off five points of Biden’s support to Trump’s two...
36lriley
>35 John5918: A couple things 1) the polls several months before an election here quite often are going to be more negative to the current office holder than how things will turn out on Election Day at least as far as vote counts 2) because of the undemocratic electoral college for a democrat to win they're going to need more than just 50%. Because of the EC the real key to winning a presidential election is in the 6 or 7 battleground states....the rest are already pretty much in the bank for one party or the other 3) as for third party candidates I don't think there's going to be much chance that all of Kennedy, West or Stein are going to be on the ballot of very many states. You might get one or two but not them all....also there is likely to be a libertarian choice for pretty much every state and that character is going to draw more votes away from the republican than the democrat. Convenient for The NY Times 'liberal' shills to ignore that. Of all third party votes it's almost always the libertarian candidate who gets the most votes and it's usually substantially more than any other third party candidate. The two major parties though in state after state use election law to make it very hard for alternative candidates to get on the ballot. Well the Republicans never claimed to be very democratic.
37margd
David Frum: "When they teach {about this election} 100 years from now, they won't be talking about abortion and grocery prices... What's on the ballot is the constitution itself, and that really should not be up for debate."
https://on.msnbc.com/43Z7usP
1:43 ( https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/1780362510291390649 )
- Morning Joe @Morning_Joe | 6:27 PM · Apr 16, 2024
https://on.msnbc.com/43Z7usP
1:43 ( https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/1780362510291390649 )
- Morning Joe @Morning_Joe | 6:27 PM · Apr 16, 2024
38margd
Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World
by Anne Applebaum
Expected publication July 2024
by Anne Applebaum
Expected publication July 2024
39margd
Project 2025, plan to completely dismantle the American administrative state should Trump win:
Kevin Roberts, president of {Heritage Foundation, Project 2025 leader}, has baselessly claimed that men & women currently serving in the US government are communists & that disgraced anti-communist crusader Senator Joe McCarthy—infamous for making unsubstantiated accusations—was “spot on.”
0:38 ( https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1780749355089305864 )
...The excerpt is from the very end of Telegraph 15 Dec 2023 interview:
Biden will lose. Time to destroy the deep state | Kevin Roberts {President of the Heritage Foundation} interview (51:43)
The Telegraph | 15 Dec 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWST_E8z1eA
- jennycohn@toad.social ✍🏻 📢 @jennycohn1 | 8:07 PM · Apr 17, 2024. I write about elections & Christian Nationalism
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11th Hour @11thHour | 12:12 AM · Apr 18, 2024:
The official Twitter account for The 11th Hour With @SRuhle
on @MSNBC. Watch weeknights at 11PM ET. #11thHour
"This is a plan to transform America into an autocracy."
Donald Trump's allies have already put out their playbook for what he could do with a second term. @ruthbenghiat* and @AhmedBaba_** join @SRuhle to pull back the curtain on Project 2025.
7:22 (https://twitter.com/11thHour/status/1780811563667992760)
* Authoritarians, fascism, propaganda, democracy/ruthbenghiat.com/Prof. History, NYU/Consultant 🎥/Book: Strongmen
** Journalist. Tech Entrepreneur. Nonprofit Consultant. Columns Independent. Co-Founder @ranttmedia. Cited in NYT, WaPo, CBS, etc.
- jennycohn@toad.social ✍🏻 📢 @jennycohn1 | 8:05 PM · Apr 17, 2024. I write about elections & Christian Nationalism 4 @buckscobeacon ; Spoutible = @jennycohn; Mastodon = jennycohn@toad.social
https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1780749952282718566
Kevin Roberts, president of {Heritage Foundation, Project 2025 leader}, has baselessly claimed that men & women currently serving in the US government are communists & that disgraced anti-communist crusader Senator Joe McCarthy—infamous for making unsubstantiated accusations—was “spot on.”
0:38 ( https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1780749355089305864 )
...The excerpt is from the very end of Telegraph 15 Dec 2023 interview:
Biden will lose. Time to destroy the deep state | Kevin Roberts {President of the Heritage Foundation} interview (51:43)
The Telegraph | 15 Dec 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWST_E8z1eA
- jennycohn@toad.social ✍🏻 📢 @jennycohn1 | 8:07 PM · Apr 17, 2024. I write about elections & Christian Nationalism
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11th Hour @11thHour | 12:12 AM · Apr 18, 2024:
The official Twitter account for The 11th Hour With @SRuhle
on @MSNBC. Watch weeknights at 11PM ET. #11thHour
"This is a plan to transform America into an autocracy."
Donald Trump's allies have already put out their playbook for what he could do with a second term. @ruthbenghiat* and @AhmedBaba_** join @SRuhle to pull back the curtain on Project 2025.
7:22 (https://twitter.com/11thHour/status/1780811563667992760)
* Authoritarians, fascism, propaganda, democracy/ruthbenghiat.com/Prof. History, NYU/Consultant 🎥/Book: Strongmen
** Journalist. Tech Entrepreneur. Nonprofit Consultant. Columns Independent. Co-Founder @ranttmedia. Cited in NYT, WaPo, CBS, etc.
- jennycohn@toad.social ✍🏻 📢 @jennycohn1 | 8:05 PM · Apr 17, 2024. I write about elections & Christian Nationalism 4 @buckscobeacon ; Spoutible = @jennycohn; Mastodon = jennycohn@toad.social
https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1780749952282718566
40Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/im-not-happy-with-the-choice-bill-barr-explains-why-...
‘I’m Not Happy With The Choice’: Bill Barr Explains Why He’s Regretfully Supporting Trump Over Biden
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Liar, liar pants on fire!
Bill has returned to his pre-1/6 Trump enabling mode. The fact that he explained his 2024 prez voting preference on the news network that had to pay out $800m because of its lying-to-the-public business model is a perfect example of what a clueless dick he is and will always be. Lacking a moral compass appears to be a trait all Trump enablers have in common.
‘I’m Not Happy With The Choice’: Bill Barr Explains Why He’s Regretfully Supporting Trump Over Biden
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Liar, liar pants on fire!
Bill has returned to his pre-1/6 Trump enabling mode. The fact that he explained his 2024 prez voting preference on the news network that had to pay out $800m because of its lying-to-the-public business model is a perfect example of what a clueless dick he is and will always be. Lacking a moral compass appears to be a trait all Trump enablers have in common.
41Molly3028
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13334169/Trump-Sheriff-conference-Las-V...
Inside the bizarre Las Vegas conference where Trump-loving sheriffs, felons and conspiracy theorists vowed to form militias to patrol polling places and seize voting machines to stop Biden
Inside the bizarre Las Vegas conference where Trump-loving sheriffs, felons and conspiracy theorists vowed to form militias to patrol polling places and seize voting machines to stop Biden
42John5918
Everyone laughed at Hitler in the 1920s. A century on, are we making the same mistake? (Guardian)
Just because we find a political leader ludicrous, that doesn’t mean they’re not dangerous... a chapter called The Beerhall Agitator, about the absurd-looking little rabble-rouser’s activities during the early 1920s. As a kid I always wondered how they could all have been taken in by such an apparently ludicrous man. The awful truth, of course, was that enough people thought him ludicrous for this ludicrous man to be calamitously underestimated. It invariably feels lame, swivel-eyed or just plain wrong to compare any modern politician to Hitler, but this line, written by Hitler himself of his beerhall agitator years, makes my blood run cold most days these days. There’s more than one failed, incumbent or potential leader who regularly brings it to mind. “It makes no difference whatever whether they laugh at us or revile us … whether they represent us as clowns or criminals; the main thing is that they mention us, that they concern themselves with us again and again …”
43margd
How Far Trump Would Go
ERIC CORTELLESSA 30 April 2024
...I wanted to know what Trump would do if he wins a second term, to hear his vision for the nation, in his own words.
What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen...
https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/
ERIC CORTELLESSA 30 April 2024
...I wanted to know what Trump would do if he wins a second term, to hear his vision for the nation, in his own words.
What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen...
https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/
44John5918
Trump explains his militaristic plan to deport 15-20 million people (CNN)
It is rare to get major presidential candidates – on either side of the political aisle – outside the confines of prepared remarks, stump speeches and friendly audiences, so it’s worth paying attention when they actually take detailed questions... He did not commit to the full “Project 2025” effort his supporters envision to gut the perceived “deep state” by reclassifying a much larger portion of the federal government as political appointees... Trump insisted he would leave the issue of abortion rights up to states... And some of his more outlandish comments, he said, were just jokes. He said to put his repeated pledge to declare himself “dictator for a day” into this category. “That was said sarcastically. That was meant as a joke,” he said... The topic on which Trump had the most concrete details is his plan to deport many millions of undocumented immigrants. Trump repeated false claims that many migrants are former prisoners or have been institutionalized in their home countries. CNN has reported there is no data to support the idea that a rise in immigrants drives a rise in crime. Most measures of violent crime in the US have actually been falling... Trump told Time he would target between 15 million and 20 million people who he said are undocumented in the US... Rather than work with Democrats, Trump wants to militarize the issue, but he would start by using local police forces and focusing on any migrants with a criminal record. Trump was asked if his effort would include the military. “It would,” Trump said, adding, “when we talk military, generally speaking, I talk National Guard.” He added that he would “have no problem using the military, per se,” although he thinks the National Guard would suffice. He does not think that laws meant to prevent the use of the military against civilians inside the US without congressional approval would apply to his effort. “These aren’t civilians,” Trump said of migrants. “These are people that aren’t legally in our country. This is an invasion of our country.” He also repeated the conspiracy theory, for which there is no evidence, that “fighting age” males from China are somehow embedding themselves in the US. “You have to do what you have to do to stop crime and to stop what’s taking place at the border,” he said...
45lriley
>44 John5918: FWIW both major political parties right now are working together on a project to suppress both protest and speech. For the greater part the courts and law enforcement are more than happy to crack down and sometimes with great force. Their intention to shut down what they don't want to hear or see and it's quite obvious that they don't need public support for this project when they're working in tandem. I don't see a great deal of difference between the two parties on this. Both are at the beck and call of their wealthiest donors as well as a foreign govt. The voting public matter less than these other entities. The police will always do what their masters want. Nationwide they're like high school football jocks use to being the big shots on campus. As far as the current political situation what I would say is neither the democratic or republican parties give a fuck about what the American population think or want. Well they hardly ever have shown it in concrete ways anyway. At best when they do respond to real needs it's half measures. If Donald does get back to power I think he'll be capable of quite a lot---and the courts and law enforcement would love to have the green light to do whatever. When it comes to justice or the limelight they'll choose the limelight every time. Would Donald go so far as to eliminate or imprison political opponents? I could see it but right now at this time we're seeing the Biden administration and congress in lockstep in this project to suppress dissent. It seems almost that we're headed to the same place anyway no matter who wins in November.
46JGL53
> 45
Words do not exist that I could use to adequately express how utterly god damn ridiculous I regard the above post.
Holy Fucking Jesus Christ in Hell - Biden and tRump as moral equivalents? Sure - if we could consider Joseph Stalin and Albert Schweitzer as moral equivalents.
I have decided I will not put Iriley on block. I will just ignore anything posted by him from now on. I just have to do what I need to do to protect my sensitive brain from examples of such egregious cognitive dissonance. Christ, my head hurts. I think I have to take a gummy now and go to bed.
Words do not exist that I could use to adequately express how utterly god damn ridiculous I regard the above post.
Holy Fucking Jesus Christ in Hell - Biden and tRump as moral equivalents? Sure - if we could consider Joseph Stalin and Albert Schweitzer as moral equivalents.
I have decided I will not put Iriley on block. I will just ignore anything posted by him from now on. I just have to do what I need to do to protect my sensitive brain from examples of such egregious cognitive dissonance. Christ, my head hurts. I think I have to take a gummy now and go to bed.
47kiparsky
>46 JGL53: It is a bit much, isn't it?
I read that and honestly it didn't make a lot of sense to me - but if lriley doesn't want to vote, ya know, maybe that's for the best. After all, if they really can't tell the difference between the two parties, maybe it's okay for them to sit this one out. I mean, when someone is telling me that they can't understand the very simple and very clear distinctions between the two choices, that sounds like a good reason to not vote, and I kind of applaud the self-awareness involved in coming to that conclusion.
I read that and honestly it didn't make a lot of sense to me - but if lriley doesn't want to vote, ya know, maybe that's for the best. After all, if they really can't tell the difference between the two parties, maybe it's okay for them to sit this one out. I mean, when someone is telling me that they can't understand the very simple and very clear distinctions between the two choices, that sounds like a good reason to not vote, and I kind of applaud the self-awareness involved in coming to that conclusion.
48margd
Project 2025 isn't a threat, it's a promise.
It's a promise by Trump and his sychophants to take over our government so that they can lock up dissenters, suppress your freedoms, and mold America into the autocracy they've always wanted.
1:00 (https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1788562065583755365)
- The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln | 9:30 AM · May 9, 2024 {X}
It's a promise by Trump and his sychophants to take over our government so that they can lock up dissenters, suppress your freedoms, and mold America into the autocracy they've always wanted.
1:00 (https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1788562065583755365)
- The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln | 9:30 AM · May 9, 2024 {X}
49Molly3028
Trump ‘Stunned’ Oil Execs Demanding They Raise $1 Billion for His Campaign, Promising ‘Deal’ of Lower Taxes, Regulations: Report
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Have these execs been living off planet for the last decade???
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Have these execs been living off planet for the last decade???
502wonderY
>49 Molly3028: I’ll bet they take him up on the deal.
512wonderY
Heh. They were one step ahead:
Oil industry writes executive orders for Trump to sign
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/08/oil-industry-orders-trump-day-one-00156...
Oil industry writes executive orders for Trump to sign
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/08/oil-industry-orders-trump-day-one-00156...
52Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/breaking-trump-denies-hes-actively-considering...
BREAKING: Trump Denies He’s ‘Actively Considering’ Nikki Haley As VP After Reports
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But is he actively seeking a thank-you-for-my-UN-ambassadorship endorsement from Nikki? And will she turn herself into a human pretzel making his unearned wish come true???
BREAKING: Trump Denies He’s ‘Actively Considering’ Nikki Haley As VP After Reports
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But is he actively seeking a thank-you-for-my-UN-ambassadorship endorsement from Nikki? And will she turn herself into a human pretzel making his unearned wish come true???
53Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/news/jan-6-situation-room-officer-reveals-trump-fans-ca...
Jan. 6 Situation Room Officer Reveals Trump Fans ‘Came That Close’ To Murdering VP In Stunning New Interview
Former White House Situation Room officer Mike Stiegler revealed that then-President Donald Trump never called down to check on then-Vice President Mike Pence as Trump fans hunted him at the Capitol, and that we were “that close” to losing the VP.
On Tuesday’s edition of ABC’s Good Morning America, anchor George Stephanopoulos sat down with Stiegler, whose account of the Capitol riot is included in the host’s new book “The Situation Room.”
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Do the majority of normal American patriots want the orange turd back in the Oval Office???
Jan. 6 Situation Room Officer Reveals Trump Fans ‘Came That Close’ To Murdering VP In Stunning New Interview
Former White House Situation Room officer Mike Stiegler revealed that then-President Donald Trump never called down to check on then-Vice President Mike Pence as Trump fans hunted him at the Capitol, and that we were “that close” to losing the VP.
On Tuesday’s edition of ABC’s Good Morning America, anchor George Stephanopoulos sat down with Stiegler, whose account of the Capitol riot is included in the host’s new book “The Situation Room.”
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Do the majority of normal American patriots want the orange turd back in the Oval Office???
54margd
zeynep tufekci (Princeton) zeynep | 12:13 PM · May 14, 2024 {X}:
Yeah, I don’t understand how “mere six weeks of staying away from Facebook under experimental conditions caused a 2.6% swing away from Trump” is seen as a nothingburger.
It adds to proof that Facebook can potentially play a causal role in swinging CLOSE national US elections.
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Jay Van Bavel, PhD @jayvanbavel | 10:57 AM · May 14, 2024:
Psychology Prof @NYUPsych...
This massive new social media deactivion study is bring framed as a nothingburger. But look closely at the data:
Facebook and Instagram deactivation:
-reduced affective polarization by .03 SD (p=.049)
-increased Trump vote share by 2.6% (p=.015)
Hunt Allcott et al. 2024. The effects of Facebook and Instagram on the 2020 election: A deactivation experiment. PNAS, May 13, 2024. 121 (21) e2321584121. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2321584121 https://pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2321584121
Yeah, I don’t understand how “mere six weeks of staying away from Facebook under experimental conditions caused a 2.6% swing away from Trump” is seen as a nothingburger.
It adds to proof that Facebook can potentially play a causal role in swinging CLOSE national US elections.
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Jay Van Bavel, PhD @jayvanbavel | 10:57 AM · May 14, 2024:
Psychology Prof @NYUPsych...
This massive new social media deactivion study is bring framed as a nothingburger. But look closely at the data:
Facebook and Instagram deactivation:
-reduced affective polarization by .03 SD (p=.049)
-increased Trump vote share by 2.6% (p=.015)
Hunt Allcott et al. 2024. The effects of Facebook and Instagram on the 2020 election: A deactivation experiment. PNAS, May 13, 2024. 121 (21) e2321584121. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2321584121 https://pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2321584121
55Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/news/breaking-biden-accepts-cnn-invite-for-debate-with-...
BREAKING: Biden Accepts CNN Invite for Debate with Trump NEXT MONTH
“I’ve received and accepted an invitation from CNN for a debate on June 27th. Over to you, Donald. As you said: anywhere, any time, any place,” announced Biden on X.
UPDATE
Both have agreed to June and September debate dates.
BREAKING: Biden Accepts CNN Invite for Debate with Trump NEXT MONTH
“I’ve received and accepted an invitation from CNN for a debate on June 27th. Over to you, Donald. As you said: anywhere, any time, any place,” announced Biden on X.
UPDATE
Both have agreed to June and September debate dates.
56margd
Jim Sciutto {CNN} @jimsciutto | 11:44 AM · May 22, 2024:
That this case will not likely see the light of day in a courtroom before the election is just remarkable:
“Once Trump realized that security cameras at Mar-a-Lago could capture his employees moving classified government information that officials were attempting to retrieve, he allegedly ensured that they would avoid the cameras when moving boxes.”
https://washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/21/trump-florida-classified...
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That this case will not likely see the light of day in a courtroom before the election is just remarkable:
“Once Trump realized that security cameras at Mar-a-Lago could capture his employees moving classified government information that officials were attempting to retrieve, he allegedly ensured that they would avoid the cameras when moving boxes.”
https://washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/21/trump-florida-classified...
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57margd
Ohio Moving to Exclude Biden from Ballot
This is heading for the courts.
Ron Filipkowski | 22 May 2024
n 2010, the Ohio legislature passed a law creating an arbitrary deadline that candidates for each political party must be nominated 90 days before the election to get on the ballot. That provision has never been enforced to keep a candidate off the ballot - until now.
Both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions took place after the 90 day Ohio deadline in 2012 and 2020. Both times the legislature passed a bill to extend the deadline so there were no issues. However, 2024 is the first time that only one party has their nominating convention after the deadline, and it just happens to be the Democrats which will nominate Biden on August 22, two weeks after Ohio's arbitrary deadline.
The Republican supermajority was asked again, just like in 2012 and 2020, to extend the deadline so there will not be an issue. They have refused to do so...
https://meidasnews.com/news/ohio-moving-to-exclude-biden-from-ballot
This is heading for the courts.
Ron Filipkowski | 22 May 2024
n 2010, the Ohio legislature passed a law creating an arbitrary deadline that candidates for each political party must be nominated 90 days before the election to get on the ballot. That provision has never been enforced to keep a candidate off the ballot - until now.
Both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions took place after the 90 day Ohio deadline in 2012 and 2020. Both times the legislature passed a bill to extend the deadline so there were no issues. However, 2024 is the first time that only one party has their nominating convention after the deadline, and it just happens to be the Democrats which will nominate Biden on August 22, two weeks after Ohio's arbitrary deadline.
The Republican supermajority was asked again, just like in 2012 and 2020, to extend the deadline so there will not be an issue. They have refused to do so...
https://meidasnews.com/news/ohio-moving-to-exclude-biden-from-ballot
58lriley
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is going to invite Netanyahu to speak before congress again. JGL should pay attention. As a matter of political expediency it seems he can live with a little Palestinian genocide. Last time Netanyahu spoke before the congress it was at the invite of John Boehner....another Republican speaker and Netanyahu used that opportunity as a chance to take a rather large swipe at then POTUS Obama who was then and is now considerably less gormless and schmuckish than our current POTUS Biden. At this point Biden may have torpedoed his own re-election lifting boulders for Israel's apartheid like regime and supporting this mass murderer (do you think he'll get any thanks?) but I don't think it's any secret that Benjamin would rather have Trump and both a republican House and Senate in power and get ready JLG because I suspect the Israeli Prime Minister is going to light into Biden this time and if he does I also suspect that the most surprised human being on Earth will be Genocide Joe who's committed the sin of holding up one shipment of 2000 lb. bombs the day before he decided to send them another $1 billion of war munitions. Netanyahu is a snake though he's not the only one. Republicans will look at this as a golden opportunity to undermine Biden even more and there may be a number of Democrats jumping on board their train like Fetterman, Torres, Gottheimer etc. It might be a long list.
59kiparsky
>58 lriley: "Genocide Joe"? Come on, be serious.
60Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/i-will-be-voting-for-trump-nikki-haley-backs-trum...
‘I Will Be Voting For Trump’: Nikki Haley Backs Trump After Brutal Primary in Which She Called Him ‘Disgusting’ and ‘Unhinged’
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Christie kept saying she would endorse the lunatic ~ this shit move was always on her radar screen!
‘I Will Be Voting For Trump’: Nikki Haley Backs Trump After Brutal Primary in Which She Called Him ‘Disgusting’ and ‘Unhinged’
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Christie kept saying she would endorse the lunatic ~ this shit move was always on her radar screen!
61margd
Trump falsely claims US justice department was ready to kill him
Alice Herman | 22 May 2024
Ex-president recasts FBI’s standard policy statement limiting use of deadly force into claim Biden officials were ‘locked and loaded’
...FBI agents picked a day for the raid when Trump would not be at Mar-a-Lago and told the Secret Service ahead of time. But Trump’s statements about the filing have unleashed a frenzy...
...Trump, who has warned of “death and destruction” if charged with crimes and who defended supporters calling for the assassination of former vice-president Mike Pence for refusing to join the plot to overturn the election, urges his supporters to see him as the victim...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/trump-fbi-doj-lethal-for...
Alice Herman | 22 May 2024
Ex-president recasts FBI’s standard policy statement limiting use of deadly force into claim Biden officials were ‘locked and loaded’
...FBI agents picked a day for the raid when Trump would not be at Mar-a-Lago and told the Secret Service ahead of time. But Trump’s statements about the filing have unleashed a frenzy...
...Trump, who has warned of “death and destruction” if charged with crimes and who defended supporters calling for the assassination of former vice-president Mike Pence for refusing to join the plot to overturn the election, urges his supporters to see him as the victim...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/trump-fbi-doj-lethal-for...
62lriley
>59 kiparsky: On the one hand I'm not the one who nicknamed him and on the other he's kind of earned his nickname. I don't know if you've seen the after effects of a 2000 lb. bomb on an apartment block. Those bombs were manufactured here and more or less given to the IDF and we've been steadily replenishing them. As well tank shells and at least one instance of the IDF using white phosphorus on civilians that they got from the United States.
FWIW I'm a 66 year old boomer crank with a multiple myeloma issue. It's like being a rusted out jalopy pushing hard down the highway 5 miles under the limit that's already blown one engine and a transmission and has a leaky radiator. Only a finite amount of hills I'm going to be climbing in the future. I'm not sure how old you are. Maybe you're a boomer too. That you guys worry about who I'm going to vote for is fucking hilarious. Who you should be worrying about are the college and high school kids and yes the younger brothers and sisters have been coming out too. They are the future and you're not going to win without them this year. Take a listen to Hinds Hall a rap song by Macklemore because it's struck a nerve already. Back 56 years ago after LBJ declined to run again because of Vietnam...and Hubert Humphrey was thanking Richard Daley for siccing his cops on anti-war protesters in Chicago at the democratic convention there were other songs that struck a nerve like Ohio, For what it's worth or even War (what is it good for?). The sentiments described in that rap song which has gone viral are a bomb that's going to explode on the Democratic Party. The students were demonized in 1968 too but as far as history has gone they were right and Humphrey lost big to Nixon. He chose a direction they weren't willing to follow. Those protests started a movement then and they're starting a movement now. And the fossils and dinosaurs in the Democratic House and Senate were clueless then and clueless now. They're interested way more in their wealthy donors than younger voters as the universities are way more interested in endowments from their wealthy alumni than in their own students and this is what a good % of these protesters are seeing now. Some will probably vote for Biden anyway. Others will stay home. That it's them and no other outlet apart from their voted and their choices are terrible----Biden playing Hubert Horatio or a Neo-fascist christian Republican Party.
FWIW I'm a 66 year old boomer crank with a multiple myeloma issue. It's like being a rusted out jalopy pushing hard down the highway 5 miles under the limit that's already blown one engine and a transmission and has a leaky radiator. Only a finite amount of hills I'm going to be climbing in the future. I'm not sure how old you are. Maybe you're a boomer too. That you guys worry about who I'm going to vote for is fucking hilarious. Who you should be worrying about are the college and high school kids and yes the younger brothers and sisters have been coming out too. They are the future and you're not going to win without them this year. Take a listen to Hinds Hall a rap song by Macklemore because it's struck a nerve already. Back 56 years ago after LBJ declined to run again because of Vietnam...and Hubert Humphrey was thanking Richard Daley for siccing his cops on anti-war protesters in Chicago at the democratic convention there were other songs that struck a nerve like Ohio, For what it's worth or even War (what is it good for?). The sentiments described in that rap song which has gone viral are a bomb that's going to explode on the Democratic Party. The students were demonized in 1968 too but as far as history has gone they were right and Humphrey lost big to Nixon. He chose a direction they weren't willing to follow. Those protests started a movement then and they're starting a movement now. And the fossils and dinosaurs in the Democratic House and Senate were clueless then and clueless now. They're interested way more in their wealthy donors than younger voters as the universities are way more interested in endowments from their wealthy alumni than in their own students and this is what a good % of these protesters are seeing now. Some will probably vote for Biden anyway. Others will stay home. That it's them and no other outlet apart from their voted and their choices are terrible----Biden playing Hubert Horatio or a Neo-fascist christian Republican Party.
63margd
>62 lriley: That you guys worry about who I'm going to vote for is fucking hilarious. Who you should be worrying about are the college and high school kids and yes the younger brothers and sisters have been coming out too.
This vote is perhaps more important than future ones. If we don't stop global warming, good chance Gaza and Israel and a number of other places at that latitude will not be livable in the near future. We will all lose, but folks at these latitudes will lose the most, first. (Already India and se Asia are experiencing extreme heat.) My hope is that a second-term Biden will look at his legacy and his grand children and take effective, comprehensive action to stop global warming. Trump is reaching out to the fossil fuel industry, which can be counted on to raise gas prices (= hurt incumbent). I think this vote will be the most important any of us cast.
This vote is perhaps more important than future ones. If we don't stop global warming, good chance Gaza and Israel and a number of other places at that latitude will not be livable in the near future. We will all lose, but folks at these latitudes will lose the most, first. (Already India and se Asia are experiencing extreme heat.) My hope is that a second-term Biden will look at his legacy and his grand children and take effective, comprehensive action to stop global warming. Trump is reaching out to the fossil fuel industry, which can be counted on to raise gas prices (= hurt incumbent). I think this vote will be the most important any of us cast.
64John5918
‘No wannabe dictators!’: Donald Trump booed at Libertarian convention (Guardian)
Donald Trump, the former US president, has suffered the rare humiliation of getting booed and heckled during a raucous speech to the Libertarian National Convention. Trump’s rocky ride at a Washington hotel on Saturday night, including cries of “Bullshit!” and “Fuck you!”, underlined the challenge that the Republican presidential nominee faces to broaden his appeal both left and right on the political spectrum. “The fact is we should not be fighting each other,” Trump pleaded. “If Joe Biden gets back in, there will be no more liberty for anyone in our country. Combine with us in a partnership – we’re asking that of the libertarians. We must work together. Combine with us. You have to combine with us.” The appeal went down like a lead balloon as delegates booed, jeered and shouted insults. It was a stunning rebuke for a man who has become accustomed to cult-like rallies where his every word is cheered to the echo. The Libertarian party, which prioritises small government and individual freedoms, typically gains 3% or less of the national vote but its members could yet prove crucial in swing states this November. Trump’s clumsy attempt to court them resulted in him scolding them instead...
65JGL53
> 64
Libertarians are for free trade. tRump has promised to impose a 10 per cent tariff on ALL foreign goods. Just one of many reasons for them to hate his guts.
Libertarians are for free trade. tRump has promised to impose a 10 per cent tariff on ALL foreign goods. Just one of many reasons for them to hate his guts.
66margd
I assume Gov Haley is angling not for VP spot, but as R nominee should Trump's candidacy fall apart? Trying for acceptability to MAGA, hard right,etc.? Writing "Finish them" on day after Raffah atrocity sure won't help her with independent voters?
Alon-Lee Green - ألون-لي جرين - אלון-לי גרין 🟣 @AlonLeeGreen | 12:16 PM · May 28, 2024 {X}:
Co-director {Jewish-Arab Movement for Peace, Equality & Social Justice in Israel(?)}
Dear Americans, Nikki Haley visited us today: She went to the West Bank settlements and then went to sign on a bomb "finish them". Just disgusting. Can you please take her back? We already have one Ben Gvir & we don't need your filthy death promoting politicians as well. Thanks!
Photo (https://x.com/AlonLeeGreen/status/1795489251116859630/photo/1)
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AIPAC Tracker @TrackAIPAC | 1:01 PM · May 28, 2024:
Nikki Haley has collected more than $1,550,000 from the Israel lobby. 💰🤑💰
Image (https://x.com/TrackAIPAC/status/1795500732411699449/photo/1)
Alon-Lee Green - ألون-لي جرين - אלון-לי גרין 🟣 @AlonLeeGreen | 12:16 PM · May 28, 2024 {X}:
Co-director {Jewish-Arab Movement for Peace, Equality & Social Justice in Israel(?)}
Dear Americans, Nikki Haley visited us today: She went to the West Bank settlements and then went to sign on a bomb "finish them". Just disgusting. Can you please take her back? We already have one Ben Gvir & we don't need your filthy death promoting politicians as well. Thanks!
Photo (https://x.com/AlonLeeGreen/status/1795489251116859630/photo/1)
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AIPAC Tracker @TrackAIPAC | 1:01 PM · May 28, 2024:
Nikki Haley has collected more than $1,550,000 from the Israel lobby. 💰🤑💰
Image (https://x.com/TrackAIPAC/status/1795500732411699449/photo/1)
67lriley
>66 margd: and the Israeli lobby calling in some favors getting Haley to do an event and sign her name on some tank shells. One might wonder whether Haley realizes or if it even matters to her at all that one of those signed tank shells could very possibly kill a small child and maybe more than one. It's part of the problem with many of our politicians. They remove themselves from the reality of their actions. They think they can ignore or trivialize the evil they take a part in.....that they're on a plane of existence above other existences. They also look to profit from their evil as with the donations from their lobby groups. These people don't belong in power. That they are says something about a political system that continually recycles people like her.
682wonderY
Good talking points about Biden’s administration people
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6h1oy2paYw/?igsh=MTg1eGllb3NpbzQzdQ==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6h1oy2paYw/?igsh=MTg1eGllb3NpbzQzdQ==
69kiparsky
>67 lriley: It's interesting how easily people who call themselves "pro-life" forget what bombs are meant to do.
70lriley
>69 kiparsky: Most pro-lifers believe in the death penalty which is a contradiction right there. It astounds me how many people are for that or some will say just in special cases. Not just people who call themselves conservatives either. Loads of christians....probably most. I'm one who has issues with religious belief but plenty of religious don't have these kinds of moral quandaries. It just doesn't seem all that christian if you take christianity back to its roots. But whatever. Personally I think most of them it's not so much Christ they believe in but capitalism.
71kiparsky
>70 lriley: Is it really a contradiction if they obviously don't expect anyone to believe that they're "pro-life"? I mean, it's not like they've made any effort to actually be pro-life - or even anti-abortion, really. They've spent decades pursuing policies designed to increase the number of abortions, so I think even their thickest supporters will have figured out by now that their "pro-life" rhetoric has nothing at all to do with preventing abortions, and everything to do with good old-fashioned misogyny. And I think that's what their supporters are looking for.
I mean, it's not a pretty picture, but it seems like you have to assume the republican voter is an idiot, or that they're a bastard, and I think it's a stretch to assume that they've voted for bastards for this long without having some inkling that that's what they were getting.
I mean, it's not a pretty picture, but it seems like you have to assume the republican voter is an idiot, or that they're a bastard, and I think it's a stretch to assume that they've voted for bastards for this long without having some inkling that that's what they were getting.
72John5918
The term "pro-life" has come to be associated only with an ideological stance on one single issue, namely abortion. Many many Christians would rather adopt what might be called a "consistent ethic of life", a term introduced to the conversation in the USA by Catholic priest Daniel Berrigan as far back as the 1970s, which opposes all threats to human life, including war, violence, torture, militarism, euthanasia, capital punishment, abortion, poverty, inequality, nuclear weapons, small arms and light weapons, lack of access to health, education and welfare services, denial of civil and human rights, autocratic governance, etc, etc.
73kiparsky
>72 John5918: The term "pro-life" has come to be associated only with an ideological stance on one single issue, namely abortion
I don't want to bang on this too much, but it's important to be precise about this: it's not associated with a stance on abortion, it's associated with a lie about a stance on abortion. "Pro-life" does not mean that someone opposes abortion, it means that they want, for reasons of politics, to be perceived as opposing abortion, while actually working diligently to increase the rate of unplanned pregnancies, and hence abortions. There's nothing inconsistent about someone identifying as "pro-life" and also being fine with providing mass murderers with the tools of their trade, causing needless deaths by restricting access to health care, etc., etc. - this is only problematic if you believe the label rather than looking at what's in the box. What they actually believe, as far as I can see, is a pretty consistent ideology. It just has nothing to do with the socialist organizer that they claim as their inspiration.
I don't want to bang on this too much, but it's important to be precise about this: it's not associated with a stance on abortion, it's associated with a lie about a stance on abortion. "Pro-life" does not mean that someone opposes abortion, it means that they want, for reasons of politics, to be perceived as opposing abortion, while actually working diligently to increase the rate of unplanned pregnancies, and hence abortions. There's nothing inconsistent about someone identifying as "pro-life" and also being fine with providing mass murderers with the tools of their trade, causing needless deaths by restricting access to health care, etc., etc. - this is only problematic if you believe the label rather than looking at what's in the box. What they actually believe, as far as I can see, is a pretty consistent ideology. It just has nothing to do with the socialist organizer that they claim as their inspiration.
74lriley
Almost all people aren't precise about a lot of things political. Not just abortion. There's so much that one almost can't help but be ignorant about a lot of things. More often than not people will make allowances for people they vote for that they wouldn't for those they don't vote for and Trump might be the best example of that. Abortion though has been debated about for decades so that's one of the commons. I've heard all the anti-abortion shit for years.....a high % of my family, relatives, people they were friendly with are church going conservatives. Pretty much I find their arguments on abortion to be pretty dumb....that they parrot shit they would hear from their priests, favorite politicians and friends. They also think Jesus and the Bible are on their side which isn't exactly provable or true. People want to believe in something so bad---and if it's not God and religion, it's favorite politicians or economic systems etc. etc. but mostly it's all those things together. A package deal. They're invested.
75Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/apprentice-producer-describes-shocked-cast-reacti...
Apprentice Producer Describes Shocked Cast Reactions to Trump Allegedly Calling Contestant N-Word
CNN’s Kaitlan Collins show
Apprentice Producer Describes Shocked Cast Reactions to Trump Allegedly Calling Contestant N-Word
CNN’s Kaitlan Collins show
76margd
Marc E. Elias @marceelias | 1:02 PM · Jun 1, 2024 {X}:
Founder @DemocracyDocket. Chair @EliasLawGroup...
We now know Donald Trump committed crimes to win his first election.
We know that he committed crimes to try to overturn his second election.
We are five months from the next election. Why would it be any different this time? Except that now, the GOP is his willing accomplice.
1:40 (https://x.com/marceelias/status/1796950469966737655)
Founder @DemocracyDocket. Chair @EliasLawGroup...
We now know Donald Trump committed crimes to win his first election.
We know that he committed crimes to try to overturn his second election.
We are five months from the next election. Why would it be any different this time? Except that now, the GOP is his willing accomplice.
1:40 (https://x.com/marceelias/status/1796950469966737655)
77lriley
>76 margd: The GOP was a willing accomplice the second time around. But really we can also see the influence of the super wealthy on both parties. Biden for instance is between a rock and a hard place satisfying his wealthy donors and the left of his party, younger voters and Muslims and per the usual both major parties think they win because of money and so the billionaires are more important. For getting out the vote I guess you need some cash. Are the democrats trying to get out the vote? No rallies, no tv ads, no activists going door to door, no primaries, a virtual convention coming our way?--what is that exactly? I've seen none of these things anyway though NYS is a state taken for granted but there was always something going on by this time. Maybe it's different in Michigan. It should be because if Joe doesn't win Michigan I don't think he will win. So far participation isn't needed. It doesn't look like much on the other side either though the Donald gets out to do a rally now and again.
This conviction of Mr. Trump I don't think is going to peel away too many of his voters. Maybe a percentage or two but my read is enthusiasm is low everywhere for pretty much everyone.
This conviction of Mr. Trump I don't think is going to peel away too many of his voters. Maybe a percentage or two but my read is enthusiasm is low everywhere for pretty much everyone.
78jjwilson61
Traditionally the theory was that no one paid attention to politics until after the summer was over. Since Trump though it's been politics year round but still it seems early to spend a lot of money on ads. Reaching out to various communities should be a full time activity for the parties though
79Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/crime/kevin-mccarthy-replies-100-yes-when-asked-if-its-...
Kevin McCarthy Replies ‘100% Yes’ When Asked If It’s a ‘Good Idea’ for GOP to Nominate ‘Convicted Felon’ Trump
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Tribe before country! Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan and everyone who died fighting in WWI/WWII must be spinning in their graves. And this sh*t is being spewed a week after a Memorial Day holiday.
Kevin McCarthy Replies ‘100% Yes’ When Asked If It’s a ‘Good Idea’ for GOP to Nominate ‘Convicted Felon’ Trump
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Tribe before country! Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan and everyone who died fighting in WWI/WWII must be spinning in their graves. And this sh*t is being spewed a week after a Memorial Day holiday.
80margd
Robert Costa @costareports | 11:18 AM · Jun 2, 2024:
Chief Election & Campaign Correspondent for @CBSNews, co-author of “Peril” with @realBobWoodward, @Center4Politics Scholar at the University of Virginia
Some top Republicans privately tell me they’re not ruling out the possibility, however remote, that Trump might be in jail during the convention due to Trump’s gag-order violations and conduct during the trial…
1:09 (https://x.com/costareports/status/1797286698189021467)
From Face The Nation
Chief Election & Campaign Correspondent for @CBSNews, co-author of “Peril” with @realBobWoodward, @Center4Politics Scholar at the University of Virginia
Some top Republicans privately tell me they’re not ruling out the possibility, however remote, that Trump might be in jail during the convention due to Trump’s gag-order violations and conduct during the trial…
1:09 (https://x.com/costareports/status/1797286698189021467)
From Face The Nation
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84margd
“DISASTER”
In the Former Eastern Bloc, They’re Terrified of a Trump Presidency
David Rothkopf | June 4, 2024
For Americans, authoritarian rule is theoretical. But in Eastern Europe, reminders of it are everywhere, as is dread of a partial return to those days.
...Europeans fear a 2nd Trump administration would work with Russians and their far-right allies—those in power in Hungary and Serbia, opposition leaders in France and Germany—to transform European politics, destroy the EU, and eventually dismantle NATO...
https://newrepublic.com/article/182170/former-eastern-bloc-terrified-trump-presi...
In the Former Eastern Bloc, They’re Terrified of a Trump Presidency
David Rothkopf | June 4, 2024
For Americans, authoritarian rule is theoretical. But in Eastern Europe, reminders of it are everywhere, as is dread of a partial return to those days.
...Europeans fear a 2nd Trump administration would work with Russians and their far-right allies—those in power in Hungary and Serbia, opposition leaders in France and Germany—to transform European politics, destroy the EU, and eventually dismantle NATO...
https://newrepublic.com/article/182170/former-eastern-bloc-terrified-trump-presi...
85John5918
Is Joe Biden’s Gaza Policy Leading to a Repeat of 1968? (The Progressive Mgazine)
History has shown Democrats that victory depends on making policy in line with what Americans truly want...
86margd
Axios @axios | 6:40 AM · Jun 6, 2024:
Trump has requested financial and other documents from 8 potential VP picks as he formalizes his vetting. The contenders, in no particular order:
—J.D. Vance
—Doug Burgum
—Marco Rubio
—Tim Scott
—Ben Carson
—Elise Stefanik
—Byron Donalds
—Tom Cotton
Trump has requested financial and other documents from 8 potential VP picks as he formalizes his vetting. The contenders, in no particular order:
—J.D. Vance
—Doug Burgum
—Marco Rubio
—Tim Scott
—Ben Carson
—Elise Stefanik
—Byron Donalds
—Tom Cotton
87Molly3028
Unfortunately for everyone on this planet, the 2024 US election is taking place in an era of a rotting GOP carcass being led by a lunatic and a spreading countrywide brain rot syndrome. What could possibly go wrong?
88margd
Canada’s Big Worry: A US Civil War
Alexander Burns | 06/11/2024
Justin Trudeau probably won’t ask Joe Biden {at G7 meeting} if the U.S. is headed for a war between the states. But a report from within his government says it’s time for Canada to get ready.
...American civil war ranked as an improbable but ultra-high-impact event.
Other scenarios in that general category included the proliferation of homemade biological weapons; the rise of antibiotic-resistant pathogens, leading to mass death and food shortages; and the outbreak of World War 3...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/06/11/canada-us-civil-war-00162521
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Disruptions on the Horizon
Policy Horizons Canada | 2024
37 p
https://horizons.service.canada.ca/en/2024/disruptions/
Alexander Burns | 06/11/2024
Justin Trudeau probably won’t ask Joe Biden {at G7 meeting} if the U.S. is headed for a war between the states. But a report from within his government says it’s time for Canada to get ready.
...American civil war ranked as an improbable but ultra-high-impact event.
Other scenarios in that general category included the proliferation of homemade biological weapons; the rise of antibiotic-resistant pathogens, leading to mass death and food shortages; and the outbreak of World War 3...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/06/11/canada-us-civil-war-00162521
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Disruptions on the Horizon
Policy Horizons Canada | 2024
37 p
https://horizons.service.canada.ca/en/2024/disruptions/
89Molly3028
Here's the Deal: A Memoir
by Kellyanne Conway
Kellyanne's "cultural anthropology" theory that she devised from polling data convinced Corey Lewandowski, Trump and Michael Cohen that Trump could win the presidency in 2016. The stunt that James Comey pulled 10 days prior to the election unfortunately helped make it happen. KC is still the MAGA mommy and Trump is still the MAGA daddy.
by Kellyanne Conway
Kellyanne's "cultural anthropology" theory that she devised from polling data convinced Corey Lewandowski, Trump and Michael Cohen that Trump could win the presidency in 2016. The stunt that James Comey pulled 10 days prior to the election unfortunately helped make it happen. KC is still the MAGA mommy and Trump is still the MAGA daddy.
90margd
Seems like gas prices are always hiked in elections when Dems hold Presidency? This time with climate an issue, and with evidence of domestic collusion, Dems fight back? Or at least rattle sabres?
Schumer, Democrats urge Justice Department to prosecute alleged oil industry collusion, price-fixing
MATTHEW DALY | May 30, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/business/schumer-senate-democrats-call-for-doj-to...
Schumer, Democrats urge Justice Department to prosecute alleged oil industry collusion, price-fixing
MATTHEW DALY | May 30, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/business/schumer-senate-democrats-call-for-doj-to...
91margd
LP Podcast | It’s the messaging, stupid. (15:21)
Rick Wilson, The Lincoln Project | Jun 14, 2024
Host Rick Wilson has a come-to-Jesus moment with the campaigns and politicians who stand in opposition to Donald Trump. The lesson? Get on message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tsU3zPJpg
Rick Wilson, The Lincoln Project | Jun 14, 2024
Host Rick Wilson has a come-to-Jesus moment with the campaigns and politicians who stand in opposition to Donald Trump. The lesson? Get on message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tsU3zPJpg
92margd
Viral Video Showing US President Joe Biden Dozing Off During Television Interview Is Manipulated
Vasudha Beri | June 17, 2024
https://newschecker.in/fact-check/viral-video-showing-us-president-joe-biden-doz...
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Biden Wanders Away From Other G7 Leaders—And Controversy Ensues: The Video Explained
Sara Dorn | Jun 14, 2024
A video of President Joe Biden peeling off from other Group of Seven world leaders Thursday drew widespread scrutiny, with Biden's critics arguing he looked aloof on the world stage, though a different cut of the video showed him walking away to talk to other individuals outside of the frame — as Biden's mental fitness has become a focal point of Republican attacks against the president during an election year...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/06/14/biden-wanders-away-from-other-g...
Vasudha Beri | June 17, 2024
https://newschecker.in/fact-check/viral-video-showing-us-president-joe-biden-doz...
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Biden Wanders Away From Other G7 Leaders—And Controversy Ensues: The Video Explained
Sara Dorn | Jun 14, 2024
A video of President Joe Biden peeling off from other Group of Seven world leaders Thursday drew widespread scrutiny, with Biden's critics arguing he looked aloof on the world stage, though a different cut of the video showed him walking away to talk to other individuals outside of the frame — as Biden's mental fitness has become a focal point of Republican attacks against the president during an election year...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/06/14/biden-wanders-away-from-other-g...
93John5918
The question isn’t whether Trump or Biden is declining faster: it’s why the US is faced with this choice (Guardian)
both men – 78 and 81 respectively – have behaved in ways that might give even the most cautious observer pause. These are two of the oldest people ever to run for president, at a time of unprecedented video documentation and manipulation, and in a race in which the stakes are so high you would have to be superhuman not to suffer the occasional lapse. Meanwhile, both are folksy, unorthodox communicators, with none of Obama-the-lawyer’s facility for pitch-perfect off-the-cuff eloquence. Still, the evidence of decline on both sides is compelling... the more depressing fact about all of this is that out of a population of more than 330 million, this is the choice we face. You can be old, infirm, not on top of the details and hopelessly inarticulate, or at least give a very strong impression that all of these things are true. But as long as you are a white man, you can still be president of the United States.
94lriley
>93 John5918: Both of them are mentally challenged. Trump clearly shows more physical energy but that's about it. Neither was particularly smart to begin with. Biden even back in the days when he was Senator of Delaware was a pedestrian intelligence.....a guy with connections who pretty much stayed in his lane and always followed the dictates of party leaders. Trump is absolutely incurious about anything that doesn't touch on his greed or personal ambitions and that's pretty much 10% of what's normal for any average human being. They're both terrible.....Biden was getting destroyed in the early 2020 primaries before Obama and Clyburn stepped in to get most of the field to bow out and to circle the wagons around him. He became simply the anti-Trump candidate but he was never really a popular choice and that was clear in the early primaries. I have no love for a number of those would be candidates but I would have taken every single one of them over him. Even back then Biden had to be sheltered away from people because he was blowing up all the time. That's a problem with the Democratic Party....they're not really interested in giving their base a choice.....the establishment and their wealthiest donors want to pick that choice for them and with Biden they wanted to run him like a puppet....and speaking of 2016 with Hilary Clinton.....when you put up someone with such a love/hate dynamic you're playing with fire. It's like these two parties look for their worst possible candidates and go with them. But really this is what you get when you have a party system that for some decades has shown that they care very little for the population at large. We can always find the money for bombs and war.....never for something like health care and anyone who ever falls through the cracks well that's pretty much that's the end of them......they're never crawling out. They want this society to be made of winners and losers with just enough in between to keep things afloat. But there's going to be way more losers and left behinds than there are winners. That's all baked into how they figure.
95jjwilson61
The party with the presidency always re-ups the president for a second term. If there's a fight then history shows that weakens the party's chance to win. That's just the way it works in our two party system.
What's really unusual this time is the loser of a presidential bid making a second attempt. Usually they'd slink away in disgrace.
What's really unusual this time is the loser of a presidential bid making a second attempt. Usually they'd slink away in disgrace.
96lriley
We see what both these guys are like now. Biden's shuffling around more than walking. They both slur words all the time.....get lost on tangents and into cul-de-sacs when they speak. Trump can get particularly bizarre like with the sharks thing the other day. Biden seems to blank out at times. Mitch McConnell's been doing it too. It seems pretty likely that if Biden wins Kamala Harris is going to take over for him sometime before his 4 years are up. I don't think it's just them....the majority of members of congress don't seem to reflect the will of their base voters at all well let alone the public at large. Political direction of either party is deranged (for example the show trials of University deans) and we're seeing draconian efforts to suppress protest and speech and I can get away with anything and everything elitism from pols, the super wealthy and Supreme Court justices since Trump's appearance that's saturated throughout our politics as a whole as well as a baneful kowtowing to the desires of billionaire donors, corporate megaliths and outside influencers including foreign countries. The American democratic project has gone off the rails.
97kiparsky
>94 lriley: Trump clearly shows more physical energy
Say what? The man can hardly walk! Where are you getting this stuff from? You gotta stop getting your news from social media... subscribing to a newspaper would help you a lot here.
I'm going to ignore the rewriting of history required to ascribe Biden's success as a senator to "connections". Of course he has "connections", he's been in politics for decades and working with people is kind of the point, but if you're suggesting that he got into the position by some sort of personal favors, I'd love to see where you're getting that from.
They're both terrible
This is sort of nonsense. To imply that Biden and Trump are somehow equivalently bad requires a lot of ignoring. I know, I know, you've decided you hate Biden - that's fine, you don't have to love the guy, but let's stick to reality. To say that they're "both terrible" is to suggest that it doesn't really matter who wins, and there is literally no issue on which this is true.
If you really think they're equally bad, pick any three issues you like and explain how you think those issues will look in, say 2026 under Biden, versus under Trump. (feel free to assume a split congress - though if you want to assume a Republican edge in both houses, that would be statistically within bounds, and would sharpen up the game a bit)
Say what? The man can hardly walk! Where are you getting this stuff from? You gotta stop getting your news from social media... subscribing to a newspaper would help you a lot here.
I'm going to ignore the rewriting of history required to ascribe Biden's success as a senator to "connections". Of course he has "connections", he's been in politics for decades and working with people is kind of the point, but if you're suggesting that he got into the position by some sort of personal favors, I'd love to see where you're getting that from.
They're both terrible
This is sort of nonsense. To imply that Biden and Trump are somehow equivalently bad requires a lot of ignoring. I know, I know, you've decided you hate Biden - that's fine, you don't have to love the guy, but let's stick to reality. To say that they're "both terrible" is to suggest that it doesn't really matter who wins, and there is literally no issue on which this is true.
If you really think they're equally bad, pick any three issues you like and explain how you think those issues will look in, say 2026 under Biden, versus under Trump. (feel free to assume a split congress - though if you want to assume a Republican edge in both houses, that would be statistically within bounds, and would sharpen up the game a bit)
98kiparsky
>96 lriley: Biden seems to blank out at times.
Definitely need to stop with the social media. Hint: the fake videos are fake.
Definitely need to stop with the social media. Hint: the fake videos are fake.
99margd
Jack E. Smith ⚖️ {parody} @7Veritas4 | 8:57 AM · Jun 19, 2024:
It’s a lengthy clip but {John Oliver} highlights what you need to know about Project 2025…their authoritarian playbook to eliminate anything that held Trump in check during his first term.
22:42 (https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1803411909107949627)
From Blue Georgia
It’s a lengthy clip but {John Oliver} highlights what you need to know about Project 2025…their authoritarian playbook to eliminate anything that held Trump in check during his first term.
22:42 (https://x.com/7Veritas4/status/1803411909107949627)
From Blue Georgia
100Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-veepstakes-is-reportedly-a-proxy-fight-betwe...
Trump Veepstakes Is Reportedly a Proxy Fight Between Tucker Carlson and Murdoch Empire
According to Puck’s Tara Palmeri, Carlson is lobbying Trump on behalf of Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH), the Trump critic turned devotee who has championed isolationism and a left turn on economics within the GOP that aligns with Carlson’s own ideological leanings.
Meanwhile various voices from within the Murdoch empire have urged Trump to go in another direction. Longtime host Sean Hannity is reportedly “pushing hard” for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who is seen as a bridge between the Trump and traditionally conservative wings of the party.
Murdoch himself, meanwhile, is said to favor Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin and North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum. He made the case for Youngkin during a phone call earlier this year and a recent New York Post editorial laid out the argument for picking Burgum.
Trump Veepstakes Is Reportedly a Proxy Fight Between Tucker Carlson and Murdoch Empire
According to Puck’s Tara Palmeri, Carlson is lobbying Trump on behalf of Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH), the Trump critic turned devotee who has championed isolationism and a left turn on economics within the GOP that aligns with Carlson’s own ideological leanings.
Meanwhile various voices from within the Murdoch empire have urged Trump to go in another direction. Longtime host Sean Hannity is reportedly “pushing hard” for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who is seen as a bridge between the Trump and traditionally conservative wings of the party.
Murdoch himself, meanwhile, is said to favor Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin and North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum. He made the case for Youngkin during a phone call earlier this year and a recent New York Post editorial laid out the argument for picking Burgum.
101Molly3028
To whom it may concern ~
Don't most psychos/lunatics have an overabundance of daily energy???!!!
Don't most psychos/lunatics have an overabundance of daily energy???!!!
102Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/joe-mccarthy-was-right-ex-trump-official-prais...
‘Joe McCarthy Was Right’: Ex-Trump Official Praises McCarthyism At Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference
Former Fox News personality and Trump administration official, Monica Crowley, spoke Friday at the Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference in Washington, DC.
Crowley was joined by the likes of Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) and Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) in addressing the annual event and used her time at the podium to defend infamous former Sen. Joe McCarthy (R-WI).
***
Now the MAGA members are yearning for a return to the good old 1950's McCarthy era. The sun-bleached bones of the GOP are the only visible remains of the party Lincoln founded.
‘Joe McCarthy Was Right’: Ex-Trump Official Praises McCarthyism At Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference
Former Fox News personality and Trump administration official, Monica Crowley, spoke Friday at the Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference in Washington, DC.
Crowley was joined by the likes of Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) and Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) in addressing the annual event and used her time at the podium to defend infamous former Sen. Joe McCarthy (R-WI).
***
Now the MAGA members are yearning for a return to the good old 1950's McCarthy era. The sun-bleached bones of the GOP are the only visible remains of the party Lincoln founded.
103margd
Trump campaign seeks to head off convention revolt from its right flank
Yvonne Wingett Sanchez and Isaac Arnsdorf | June 22, 2024
Aides scrambled to foil a plot to throw the nominating process into chaos as suspicions abound about potentially disloyal delegates.
Arizona delegates to the Republican National Convention gathered this month in a Phoenix suburb ... Part of the presentation included a secret plan to throw the party’s nomination of Donald Trump for president into chaos ... came from avowed “America First” believers hatching a challenge from the far right — a plot to release the delegates from their pledge to support Trump ... gambit would require support from several other state delegations, and it wasn’t clear whether those allies had been lined up.
...purpose ... not clear ... block an undesirable running mate ... substitute former national security adviser Michael Flynn for Trump if the former president is sentenced to prison time ... former president has surrounded himself with too many advisers beholden to the “deep state”... {money}
...“Suspending of the rules would then allow an open forum to consider alternate candidates to Trump,” one person involved in the state’s delegate drama said...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/22/trump-convention-revolt-right...
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Marie H. 🌻 @_TokyoMarie_ | 11:03 AM · Jun 22, 2024:
This is the first major media mention I’ve seen that acknowledges Flynn’s name is being promoted for VP by some MAGA. Some Flynn watchers say he wants to be president & a goal of his tours is to create followers who will do that he wants them to do. They do seem to worship him.
Yvonne Wingett Sanchez and Isaac Arnsdorf | June 22, 2024
Aides scrambled to foil a plot to throw the nominating process into chaos as suspicions abound about potentially disloyal delegates.
Arizona delegates to the Republican National Convention gathered this month in a Phoenix suburb ... Part of the presentation included a secret plan to throw the party’s nomination of Donald Trump for president into chaos ... came from avowed “America First” believers hatching a challenge from the far right — a plot to release the delegates from their pledge to support Trump ... gambit would require support from several other state delegations, and it wasn’t clear whether those allies had been lined up.
...purpose ... not clear ... block an undesirable running mate ... substitute former national security adviser Michael Flynn for Trump if the former president is sentenced to prison time ... former president has surrounded himself with too many advisers beholden to the “deep state”... {money}
...“Suspending of the rules would then allow an open forum to consider alternate candidates to Trump,” one person involved in the state’s delegate drama said...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/22/trump-convention-revolt-right...
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Marie H. 🌻 @_TokyoMarie_ | 11:03 AM · Jun 22, 2024:
This is the first major media mention I’ve seen that acknowledges Flynn’s name is being promoted for VP by some MAGA. Some Flynn watchers say he wants to be president & a goal of his tours is to create followers who will do that he wants them to do. They do seem to worship him.
104margd
Kettering Foundation @KetteringFdn | 1:27 PM · Jun 20, 2024:
Democracy will not self-correct, and it certainly won't save itself.
We believe #KetteringFoundation senior fellow J. Michael Luttig is correct —we have the power to save ourselves and cannot wait any longer for the flames to consume us.
0:48 (https://x.com/KetteringFdn/status/1803842246518661228)
Democracy will not self-correct, and it certainly won't save itself.
We believe #KetteringFoundation senior fellow J. Michael Luttig is correct —we have the power to save ourselves and cannot wait any longer for the flames to consume us.
0:48 (https://x.com/KetteringFdn/status/1803842246518661228)
106margd
{On CNBC} Chief Executive Leadership Institute CEO Jeffrey Sonnenfeld:
There are no Fortune 500 CEOs who are supporting Trump. That is a historic break. The Trump economic package frightens them. It's extremely inflationary. It'll lead to an increase in inflation and plunge the GDP. They'll be Biden voters. They don't want the fabric of society pulled apart
1:40 (https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1805347321200492809)
- Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ5:08 PM | Jun 24, 2024
There are no Fortune 500 CEOs who are supporting Trump. That is a historic break. The Trump economic package frightens them. It's extremely inflationary. It'll lead to an increase in inflation and plunge the GDP. They'll be Biden voters. They don't want the fabric of society pulled apart
1:40 (https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1805347321200492809)
- Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ5:08 PM | Jun 24, 2024
1072wonderY
16 Nobel economists see a Trump inflation bomb
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/25/nobel-prize-winners-biden-economy-trump-inflati...
We believe that a second Trump term would have a negative impact on the U.S.'s economic standing in the world, and a destabilizing effect on the U.S.'s domestic economy," the economists write in the letter.
"Many Americans are concerned about inflation, which has come down remarkably fast. There is rightly a worry that Donald Trump will reignite this inflation, with his fiscally irresponsible budgets," they write.
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/25/nobel-prize-winners-biden-economy-trump-inflati...
We believe that a second Trump term would have a negative impact on the U.S.'s economic standing in the world, and a destabilizing effect on the U.S.'s domestic economy," the economists write in the letter.
"Many Americans are concerned about inflation, which has come down remarkably fast. There is rightly a worry that Donald Trump will reignite this inflation, with his fiscally irresponsible budgets," they write.
109John5918
I've just been chatting to an Irish colleague who watched part of your presidential debate last night and he said Biden came over very badly, while Trump demonstrated more confidence and energy.
110davidgn
>109 John5918: To say the least. He lied with great confidence. Biden was a mess.
https://www.newsweek.com/deep-panic-among-democrats-after-bidens-debate-performa...
Cf. Chuck Todd: Democrats in ‘full-on panic’ over President Biden’s debate performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioVZ7v9r3bI
Congress' Democrats in "state of shock" over Biden debate performance
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/28/house-democrats-biden-debate-performance
Biden's debate a "DEFCON 1" moment for Democrats
https://axios.com/2024/06/28/biden-trump-debate-defcon1-2024-election
'Unmitigated disaster': Historian calls Biden debate 'worst performance by a candidate'
"I can't stress enough how bad the president was in this," the BU historian said
https://www.wcvb.com/article/biden-debate-performance-called-worst-in-history-by...
Excruciating Biden debate performance against Trump was among worst in presidential history - if not the worst
Even Democrats have described Joe Biden's performance as a "car crash" in a debate where he missed open goals and rambled way off topic.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-presidential-election-early-debate-was-a-huge-gamb...
Jon Stewart Can’t Defend Biden Debate Disaster: ‘This Cannot Be Real Life’
‘RESTING 25TH AMENDMENT FACE’
The “Daily Show” host went live after the debate and was horrified by what he saw from the president.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jon-stewart-cant-defend-biden-debate-disaster-this...
So yes, it was that bad.
https://www.newsweek.com/deep-panic-among-democrats-after-bidens-debate-performa...
"This was a game-changing debate in the sense that right now as we speak, there is a deep, a wide and a very aggressive panic in the Democratic Party," said John King, chief national correspondent for CNN.
"It started minutes into the debate, and it continues right now," he continued. "It involves party strategists. It involves elected officials. It involves fundraisers. And they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations about what they should do about it."
CNN's Abby Phillips said that she agreed with King's takeaways and that the "panic" she was receiving from members in the Democratic Party "is not like anything that I have heard in this campaign so far."
David Axelrod, who served as chief strategist for former President Barack Obama's campaigns, said that he could not "argue" with King and Phillips' points regarding how Democratic leaders were "reacting" to the debate.
Cf. Chuck Todd: Democrats in ‘full-on panic’ over President Biden’s debate performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioVZ7v9r3bI
Congress' Democrats in "state of shock" over Biden debate performance
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/28/house-democrats-biden-debate-performance
Biden's debate a "DEFCON 1" moment for Democrats
https://axios.com/2024/06/28/biden-trump-debate-defcon1-2024-election
'Unmitigated disaster': Historian calls Biden debate 'worst performance by a candidate'
"I can't stress enough how bad the president was in this," the BU historian said
https://www.wcvb.com/article/biden-debate-performance-called-worst-in-history-by...
Excruciating Biden debate performance against Trump was among worst in presidential history - if not the worst
Even Democrats have described Joe Biden's performance as a "car crash" in a debate where he missed open goals and rambled way off topic.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-presidential-election-early-debate-was-a-huge-gamb...
Jon Stewart Can’t Defend Biden Debate Disaster: ‘This Cannot Be Real Life’
‘RESTING 25TH AMENDMENT FACE’
The “Daily Show” host went live after the debate and was horrified by what he saw from the president.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jon-stewart-cant-defend-biden-debate-disaster-this...
So yes, it was that bad.
111margd
Acyn @Acyn | 11:59 PM · Jun 27, 2024:
Senior Digital Editor for http://MeidasTouch.com
CNN provides their fact check of Trump
2:53 (https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806537982176121191)
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Anne Applebaum (The Atlantic) @anneapplebaum | 5:08 AM · Jun 28, 2024:
Trump lied in nearly every answer, and it doesn't matter
One note: the parties are not the same. Democrats are calling for Biden's resignation because he is too old, but Republicans are not calling for Trump's resignation because he lied repeatedly
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FACT FOCUS: Here’s a look at some of the false claims made during Biden and Trump’s first debate
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | June 28, 2024
President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump traded barbs and a variety of false and misleading information as they faced off in their first debate of the 2024 election.
Trump falsely represented the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol as a relatively small number of people who were ushered in by police and misstated the strength of the economy during his administration.
Biden, who tends to lean more on exaggerations and embellishments rather than outright lies, misrepresented the cost of insulin and overstated what Trump said about using disinfectant to address COVID. Here’s a look at the false and misleading claims on Thursday night by the two candidates...
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden...
Senior Digital Editor for http://MeidasTouch.com
CNN provides their fact check of Trump
2:53 (https://x.com/Acyn/status/1806537982176121191)
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Anne Applebaum (The Atlantic) @anneapplebaum | 5:08 AM · Jun 28, 2024:
Trump lied in nearly every answer, and it doesn't matter
One note: the parties are not the same. Democrats are calling for Biden's resignation because he is too old, but Republicans are not calling for Trump's resignation because he lied repeatedly
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FACT FOCUS: Here’s a look at some of the false claims made during Biden and Trump’s first debate
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | June 28, 2024
President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump traded barbs and a variety of false and misleading information as they faced off in their first debate of the 2024 election.
Trump falsely represented the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol as a relatively small number of people who were ushered in by police and misstated the strength of the economy during his administration.
Biden, who tends to lean more on exaggerations and embellishments rather than outright lies, misrepresented the cost of insulin and overstated what Trump said about using disinfectant to address COVID. Here’s a look at the false and misleading claims on Thursday night by the two candidates...
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden...
112margd
...Biden, who tends to lean more on exaggerations and embellishments rather than outright lies, misrepresented the cost of insulin and overstated what Trump said about using disinfectant to address COVID.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden...
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Gavin Newsom @GavinNewsom | 10:26 PM · Jun 27, 2024 {X}:
Gov of California
TRUMP LIES: “{@JoeBiden} is a criminal… I did nothing wrong.”
FACT CHECK: There’s only one felon on the stage tonight — and it’s NOT Joe Biden.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden...
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Gavin Newsom @GavinNewsom | 10:26 PM · Jun 27, 2024 {X}:
Gov of California
TRUMP LIES: “{@JoeBiden} is a criminal… I did nothing wrong.”
FACT CHECK: There’s only one felon on the stage tonight — and it’s NOT Joe Biden.
113lriley
FWIW I spent almost all of 2017 running back and forth between assisted living and nursing homes for the elderly. It was a daily thing when my mom went into the assisted living home. She was lucky in that she didn't have many meds to take and she had her wits about her but not everybody is like that and the majority of people who go in these homes are already lonely and somewhat confused and feel abandoned as it is. Half way through that year she hurt her back and she had to go to a nursing home that had rehabilitation services. We continued to keep her payments up for the first place though because we were hoping that we could get her back there and we were lucky that she was able to...I mean she was 94 at the time. But anyway she got pneumonia that November and died on Christmas Eve. But anyway not claiming expertise in the matter but over the course of that year I had interactions with many elderly people and lots of them had memory issues or other forms of dementia....had difficulty expressing themselves. People do get lonely in those places.....they have each other and staff but lots of them do not get visits from anyone at all or very infrequently and so often I'd have someone latching on to me just because. Not going to say where I think Biden is but I definitely do see him on the dementia or memory loss/issues expressing himself pathway. How far down it? Well......Actually Trump's taken a few steps of his own down the same road IMO.
Neither one of these people should be running for leader of our country....a country with vast military power and nuclear capability. Neither is healthy and neither is mentally or psychologically fit and sick people are going to make sick decisions and/or they're going to be manipulated by their handlers. It's not just them though.....it's these two shitty political parties that have put them front and center and when you look at the Dems wheeling out Feinstein the last couple years or McConnell blacking out multiple times I think it says something about the direction of both parties including other pols and their donors. It's all a naked attraction to political power for its own sake.
Neither one of these people should be running for leader of our country....a country with vast military power and nuclear capability. Neither is healthy and neither is mentally or psychologically fit and sick people are going to make sick decisions and/or they're going to be manipulated by their handlers. It's not just them though.....it's these two shitty political parties that have put them front and center and when you look at the Dems wheeling out Feinstein the last couple years or McConnell blacking out multiple times I think it says something about the direction of both parties including other pols and their donors. It's all a naked attraction to political power for its own sake.
114margd
>113 lriley: I am hoping 2nd term Biden plus solid majorities in Senate and House might declare climate emergency. We don't have much more time, I'm afraid.
I don't know how much support Kamala Harris could garner as a presidential candidate, and going around her might give Blacks and women pause(?) (I thought in 2020 Harris would have made a good pick for Attorney General.)
Gavin Newsom seems to be loyally hanging around in the wings. VP candidate w Harris as President?
Whatever, as one wag said, I would vote for Biden's head in a jar of formalin over Trump. {ETA: https://x.com/mjfree/status/1809657449164730851 }
I don't know how much support Kamala Harris could garner as a presidential candidate, and going around her might give Blacks and women pause(?) (I thought in 2020 Harris would have made a good pick for Attorney General.)
Gavin Newsom seems to be loyally hanging around in the wings. VP candidate w Harris as President?
Whatever, as one wag said, I would vote for Biden's head in a jar of formalin over Trump. {ETA: https://x.com/mjfree/status/1809657449164730851 }
115kiparsky
Robert Kuttner makes a persuasive case for Biden to step aside. I still think he's the best person for the job, but after seeing him last night I'm not sure he can convince undecided voters of this. It's very frustrating because he had so many openings to punch back at Trump and he just didn't take them. I mean, if he had just pointed out that Trump was unable to answer a question - and maybe left open the obvious implication, that he was unable to remember what it was that he'd been asked - then I think it would have been a very different story. But he didn't, and that's where we're at.
I would imagine that there are going to be a lot of conversations with his friends in the Senate and other advisers - and I expect the name Ginsburg is going to come up in each of them. The worry, of course, is that opening up the nomination will lead to all sorts of difficulties - the Kamala Harris issue being just one of them.
So, if Biden steps aside, what's the ticket? Kuttner suggests Whitmer/Warnock, which is appealing in a lot of ways but more or less guarantees Republican control of the Senate. Who else is out there that folks would like to see?
I would imagine that there are going to be a lot of conversations with his friends in the Senate and other advisers - and I expect the name Ginsburg is going to come up in each of them. The worry, of course, is that opening up the nomination will lead to all sorts of difficulties - the Kamala Harris issue being just one of them.
So, if Biden steps aside, what's the ticket? Kuttner suggests Whitmer/Warnock, which is appealing in a lot of ways but more or less guarantees Republican control of the Senate. Who else is out there that folks would like to see?
116lriley
>114 margd: I don't know if you know any neurologists but if you do and they watched Biden last night you could ask him/her. I think a lot of doctors might also tell you what they think. I'm definitely a lay person but I have had experiences with people who have had dementia and that performance last night seem pretty tell tale to me. The shuffling about....his speech, general movement, getting lost in his thought processing, even facial signs. I don't see how he's going to win a second term. It already seemed at best neck and neck and really it shouldn't be this difficult for the democrats to put someone up who could defeat Trump. It seems almost that since Obama termed out the Democratic Party has been determined to put up its worst possible candidates. It's not like the majority of voters like Donald but putting up bad candidates gives him a shot to win and right now the incumbent is not only a bad candidate but last night he looked like he might be losing his mind.
The democrats have to hold the states they almost always win + win at least some of the swing states particularly your state of Michigan. After last night Biden is going to have to get out in public more to try to dispel some of the damage from last night's debate. My guess is he won't or his handlers won't let him and he won't dispel that notion at all.
The democrats have to hold the states they almost always win + win at least some of the swing states particularly your state of Michigan. After last night Biden is going to have to get out in public more to try to dispel some of the damage from last night's debate. My guess is he won't or his handlers won't let him and he won't dispel that notion at all.
117JGL53
Jesus Fucking Christ on a bed of rice with extra gravy.
Biden had a cold. No one is at their best when suffering from a cold.
Duh.
I am writing to Mensa, Inc. right now about having all of your memberships revoked.
LOL.
......................
When Biden spoke he made perfect sense. I detected no misstatements.
tRUMP, as usual, either would not answer the question proffered or overtly lied - something that could be easily fact-checked by even the most incompetent "reporter" or news-person.
So - all this inane hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and Scarlet O'Haraesque melodrama over Biden's alleged poor performance is rather over-the-top, to say the least.
One historical reference comes to mind - In the fall of 2012 Obama was deemed to have lost the first debate to Mitt Romney by everybody, and I mean Everybody, even his most ardent supporters. And yet he came back in November to easily defeat Romney by 5 million votes. So - is all now utterly lost? I don't fucking think so. Please to untangle your panties, guys and gals.
The latest analysis I have seen is that 80 per cent of those watching did not change their minds and will not change their vote. Of the other twenty per cent ten per cent say they will probably go with Biden and ten per cent with tRUMP. Where I come from that is called a wash, a draw, a tie - you know, not some stroke of death.
So - I call BULLSHIRT regarding all this Sturm and Drang. Crap in a crock pot, there are drag queens on Fire Island at some wonderful parties right now who no doubt aren't acting half as melodramatic as most of the talking heads on TV are right now - not to mention those of you aping them on this thread.
In any case, thank you all for the entertainment. Let no one say you are all useless. God will not be mocked. All cytoplasm/multicellular lifeforms were created for some purpose.
Biden had a cold. No one is at their best when suffering from a cold.
Duh.
I am writing to Mensa, Inc. right now about having all of your memberships revoked.
LOL.
......................
When Biden spoke he made perfect sense. I detected no misstatements.
tRUMP, as usual, either would not answer the question proffered or overtly lied - something that could be easily fact-checked by even the most incompetent "reporter" or news-person.
So - all this inane hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and Scarlet O'Haraesque melodrama over Biden's alleged poor performance is rather over-the-top, to say the least.
One historical reference comes to mind - In the fall of 2012 Obama was deemed to have lost the first debate to Mitt Romney by everybody, and I mean Everybody, even his most ardent supporters. And yet he came back in November to easily defeat Romney by 5 million votes. So - is all now utterly lost? I don't fucking think so. Please to untangle your panties, guys and gals.
The latest analysis I have seen is that 80 per cent of those watching did not change their minds and will not change their vote. Of the other twenty per cent ten per cent say they will probably go with Biden and ten per cent with tRUMP. Where I come from that is called a wash, a draw, a tie - you know, not some stroke of death.
So - I call BULLSHIRT regarding all this Sturm and Drang. Crap in a crock pot, there are drag queens on Fire Island at some wonderful parties right now who no doubt aren't acting half as melodramatic as most of the talking heads on TV are right now - not to mention those of you aping them on this thread.
In any case, thank you all for the entertainment. Let no one say you are all useless. God will not be mocked. All cytoplasm/multicellular lifeforms were created for some purpose.
118margd
'158 or 159 Presidential Historians' Voted Trump Worst President in US History?
Anna Rascouët-Paz | June 28, 2024
U.S. President Joe Biden cited this survey during the June 27, 2024, presidential debate, urging viewers to "look it up."
TRUE
Context
The exact number of survey participants was 154, and the group included historians and other social science experts in presidential politics, but they did vote Trump the worst president in U.S. history. Biden was voted 14th greatest, between John Adams and Woodrow Wilson. Barack Obama was seventh and Ronald Reagan was 16th, while Abraham Lincoln snagged the top spot...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/historians-voted-trump-worst-president-ever/
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Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey
Brandon Rottinghaus, University of Houston
Justin S. Vaughn, Coastal Carolina University
12 p
https://presidentialgreatnessproject.com/
Anna Rascouët-Paz | June 28, 2024
U.S. President Joe Biden cited this survey during the June 27, 2024, presidential debate, urging viewers to "look it up."
TRUE
Context
The exact number of survey participants was 154, and the group included historians and other social science experts in presidential politics, but they did vote Trump the worst president in U.S. history. Biden was voted 14th greatest, between John Adams and Woodrow Wilson. Barack Obama was seventh and Ronald Reagan was 16th, while Abraham Lincoln snagged the top spot...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/historians-voted-trump-worst-president-ever/
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Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey
Brandon Rottinghaus, University of Houston
Justin S. Vaughn, Coastal Carolina University
12 p
https://presidentialgreatnessproject.com/
119jjwilson61
>114 margd: Newsome and Harris are both from California so Newsome has the same problem as Cruz, and I don't think Newsome will move to another state
121jjwilson61
Yes. I need more DEI training.
122margd
To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial
The Editorial Board {Philadelphia Inquirer} | June 29, 2024
Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/first-presidential-debate-joe-biden-...
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Meanwhile (every other?) editorial called on BIDEN to quit:
It’s time for Biden to pass the torch
AJC Editorial Board | 29 June 2024
AJC Editorial Board: To defeat Trump and for the good of the nation, the president must bow out of the presidential race.
https://www.ajc.com/opinion/its-time-for-biden-to-pass-the-torch/6PO45RNWDFH4FAU...
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Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
NYT Editorial Board | 28 June 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html
The Editorial Board {Philadelphia Inquirer} | June 29, 2024
Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/first-presidential-debate-joe-biden-...
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Meanwhile (every other?) editorial called on BIDEN to quit:
It’s time for Biden to pass the torch
AJC Editorial Board | 29 June 2024
AJC Editorial Board: To defeat Trump and for the good of the nation, the president must bow out of the presidential race.
https://www.ajc.com/opinion/its-time-for-biden-to-pass-the-torch/6PO45RNWDFH4FAU...
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Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
NYT Editorial Board | 28 June 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html
123margd
CNN interview w historian Allan Lichtman (American U) on debate.
2:53 (https://x.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1807244819938554123)
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Allan Lichtman Prediction for 2024 Presidential Election
June 29, 2024
...The 13 Keys to the White House, developed by Distinguished Professor of History Allan J. Lichtman at American University, is an analytical framework for predicting the outcome of American presidential elections. Unlike polls and poll-based projections, this model focuses on the larger picture, the consequential events during a president’s term, instead of campaigning and rhetoric.
... Allan Lichtman’s 13 Keys to the White House?
The 13 Keys to the White House is a checklist of thirteen true/false statements that pertain to the circumstances surrounding a presidential election. The Keys are:
1. Midterm gains
2. No primary contest
3. Incumbent seeking re-election
4. No third party
5. Strong short-term economy
6. Strong long-term economy
7. Major policy change
8. No social unrest
9. No scandal
10. No foreign/military failure
11. Major foreign/military success
12. Charismatic incumbent
13. Uncharismatic challenger
Here is how the framework performed over the 10 Elections...
Here is how the keys look as per our assessment. Biden is leading in 4 while Trump is leading 2 with 7 undecided. If we combine with the above more limited criteria, Trump has the advantage... {Update: 9 of the 13 Keys Allan Lichtman’s Keys to White House are now predicting a win for Joe Biden.}
https://politicalpulse.net/us-politics/alan-lichtmans-prediction-for-2024/
2:53 (https://x.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1807244819938554123)
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Allan Lichtman Prediction for 2024 Presidential Election
June 29, 2024
...The 13 Keys to the White House, developed by Distinguished Professor of History Allan J. Lichtman at American University, is an analytical framework for predicting the outcome of American presidential elections. Unlike polls and poll-based projections, this model focuses on the larger picture, the consequential events during a president’s term, instead of campaigning and rhetoric.
... Allan Lichtman’s 13 Keys to the White House?
The 13 Keys to the White House is a checklist of thirteen true/false statements that pertain to the circumstances surrounding a presidential election. The Keys are:
1. Midterm gains
2. No primary contest
3. Incumbent seeking re-election
4. No third party
5. Strong short-term economy
6. Strong long-term economy
7. Major policy change
8. No social unrest
9. No scandal
10. No foreign/military failure
11. Major foreign/military success
12. Charismatic incumbent
13. Uncharismatic challenger
Here is how the framework performed over the 10 Elections...
Here is how the keys look as per our assessment. Biden is leading in 4 while Trump is leading 2 with 7 undecided. If we combine with the above more limited criteria, Trump has the advantage... {Update: 9 of the 13 Keys Allan Lichtman’s Keys to White House are now predicting a win for Joe Biden.}
https://politicalpulse.net/us-politics/alan-lichtmans-prediction-for-2024/
124Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/biden-to-discuss-future-of-his-re-election-cam...
Biden to Discuss ‘Future of His Re-Election Campaign’ With Family at Camp David: NBC News
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Unfortunately, Biden's fragility is now too obvious to ignore.
Biden to Discuss ‘Future of His Re-Election Campaign’ With Family at Camp David: NBC News
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Unfortunately, Biden's fragility is now too obvious to ignore.
125lriley
>124 Molly3028: He should.
JLG likes to cite Bill Maher. Since the debate Maher is now telling everyone that Biden is going to lose. He said he's seen beauty pageant contestants answer questions better. Haha. Well I never thought he was particularly funny.
Alzheimer's/dementia usually will take some time to set in. Most often a person goes back and forth between being lost altogether and normality but it's something that always gradually worsens to the point where the subject is pretty much gone mentally. It's something that can happen to anyone that reads these pages--anyone at all. It's more prevalent these days because people live longer though I had a friend who started in her 50's. When a person gets lost you can see it in their face. Hear it in their voice and their throat noises. You can see the confusion when they start with a question and end up completely lost on a long circular tangent that has nothing to do with what they tried to answer. There is also short and long term memory. My grandmother died at 107. When you tell people that---'wow, that's really great!' but not so fast....the last 10 years or so of her life were not happy at all and she was continually grasping at straws. She could remember all kinds of shit that happened in the past but she couldn't remember a thing you told her a minute ago and she continually confused one person for another and that's just another thing because you can also see the frustration and sometimes it's in the angry outbursts of someone who is continually losing the thread.
To me there are signs for Trump as well but he's nowhere as far down the path as Biden is. He could catch up though....some people decline faster than others. No fan of Reagan or Thatcher but both of them went out that way. Recently we've seen Feinstein and wheeling her around like everything was okay was pretty grotesque.....also McConnell. So politicians and also their super wealthy elite friends aren't immune from this either. Life comes with humbling experience.
The NY TImes before the 2020 elections had sit down interviews with each of the prospective democratic candidates and the word was even then that Biden's interview was so incoherent they didn't want to release it. It makes me think that this has been going on a lot longer than maybe some people think. It also is something of an explanation why Biden rarely speaks at rallies or event for any length of time.
JLG likes to cite Bill Maher. Since the debate Maher is now telling everyone that Biden is going to lose. He said he's seen beauty pageant contestants answer questions better. Haha. Well I never thought he was particularly funny.
Alzheimer's/dementia usually will take some time to set in. Most often a person goes back and forth between being lost altogether and normality but it's something that always gradually worsens to the point where the subject is pretty much gone mentally. It's something that can happen to anyone that reads these pages--anyone at all. It's more prevalent these days because people live longer though I had a friend who started in her 50's. When a person gets lost you can see it in their face. Hear it in their voice and their throat noises. You can see the confusion when they start with a question and end up completely lost on a long circular tangent that has nothing to do with what they tried to answer. There is also short and long term memory. My grandmother died at 107. When you tell people that---'wow, that's really great!' but not so fast....the last 10 years or so of her life were not happy at all and she was continually grasping at straws. She could remember all kinds of shit that happened in the past but she couldn't remember a thing you told her a minute ago and she continually confused one person for another and that's just another thing because you can also see the frustration and sometimes it's in the angry outbursts of someone who is continually losing the thread.
To me there are signs for Trump as well but he's nowhere as far down the path as Biden is. He could catch up though....some people decline faster than others. No fan of Reagan or Thatcher but both of them went out that way. Recently we've seen Feinstein and wheeling her around like everything was okay was pretty grotesque.....also McConnell. So politicians and also their super wealthy elite friends aren't immune from this either. Life comes with humbling experience.
The NY TImes before the 2020 elections had sit down interviews with each of the prospective democratic candidates and the word was even then that Biden's interview was so incoherent they didn't want to release it. It makes me think that this has been going on a lot longer than maybe some people think. It also is something of an explanation why Biden rarely speaks at rallies or event for any length of time.
127lriley
>126 Molly3028: Not sure what you're going on about. Trump has been displaying aberrant behavior though for decades whether or not that has anything to do with dementia is more of a ? for me right now (as in him being able to function at all) than with Biden but Donald's shit has more to do with psychoses IMO but he often garbles shit, gets lost on tangents as well. I'd say as far as Trump less signs of dementia but he's certifiably crazy. I don't think either one of them are healthy either mentally or psychologically and neither is close to stable enough to be POTUS.
128John5918
America’s big problem is not Biden, it’s the menace to democracy posed by Trump (Guardian)
The presidential debate was further proof of the fragility of the country’s constitution. Radical reform is crucial, whoever wins in November... It’s undoubtedly a moment of acute electoral crisis for America. Yet the world should pause and take a deep breath before burying Biden and the Democrats’ re-election hopes. Almost lost in the noise was the hideously repulsive performance of Trump himself. He looked more like a predator than a president, less candidate, more loathsome, reptilian bully. He lied persistently and without a blush. For him, all policy is prejudice. The debate was a timely reminder of how dangerous this man is...
129JGL53
The entertainment value of the bullshitting on this thread is dropping rapidly, people. You are getting repetitious and boring, flaccid even.
Pick it up.
If this were a circus we would be facing bankruptcy now, like one of tRUMP's casinos.
Pick it up.
If this were a circus we would be facing bankruptcy now, like one of tRUMP's casinos.
130Molly3028
Today is the youngest I, you and Biden are ever going to be!
The cancer-like diagnosis that is confronting the Dems must be dealt with pronto! We saw 9/11, 1/6 and what took place last Thursday night with our very own eyes.
The cancer-like diagnosis that is confronting the Dems must be dealt with pronto! We saw 9/11, 1/6 and what took place last Thursday night with our very own eyes.
132margd
Wonder what Al Gore is doing these days? Former two-term VP. Nobel Peace Prize winner (climate!). Claim to presidency at least as strong as VP Harris's -- in 2000, Gore won the popular vote over GW Bush by some 500,000 vote. He's 76, though, and unmarried -- however, his longterm girlfriend is mature and presentable. Traditional Dem, from the south -- might appeal to independents, enviros, anyone who thinks he was robbed of the presidency by Supreme Court?
Gore-Harris ticket? Harris might have to wait another four years for her shot at presidency? (I'm sure she'd do fine as president, but the country cannot take a chance right now that some knuckle-dragging voters would prefer tRump over a woman...)
Gore-Harris ticket? Harris might have to wait another four years for her shot at presidency? (I'm sure she'd do fine as president, but the country cannot take a chance right now that some knuckle-dragging voters would prefer tRump over a woman...)
133lriley
Morning Joe, James Carville, Bill Maher and The NY Times editorial board are saying Biden needs to step down. These are all Democratic Party media shills.
Even if you think Biden still has it altogether people on the fence who watched the debate the other day are as far as the Democratic Party trending the wrong way now. All the above who have been carrying water for Biden up until now are suggesting pulling the plug on him now. It ain't a good look for a political party that already looked kind of on the ropes.
Even if you think Biden still has it altogether people on the fence who watched the debate the other day are as far as the Democratic Party trending the wrong way now. All the above who have been carrying water for Biden up until now are suggesting pulling the plug on him now. It ain't a good look for a political party that already looked kind of on the ropes.
134margd
Four more years... Then again, if he can win, Biden has a decent and competent VP. Most important is that Trump not win. Perhaps even more important is that whoever is in that office take on climate as the existential issue that it is. IMHO...
135margd
Biden's family urges him to 'keep fighting' as donors look for alternatives
Mike Memoli and Monica Alba | June 30, 2024
...During a tense call with a group of about 40 of Biden’s top financial backers {Sunday}, campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez laid out what could and could not be done with the campaign’s infrastructure if Biden were to step aside while emphasizing throughout the call that he had no intention of doing so.
Most of the campaign’s significant war chest would fall to Vice President Kamala Harris ... Only a smaller pool of money would be kept by the Democratic National Committee.
... Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., who joined for part of the call, emphasized that the process would be “messy” and predicted that Harris would ultimately end up as the nominee.
Sunday’s call was just one of a series of similar conversations top Biden advisers and campaign leaders have been holding with Democratic officials and donors after Biden’s halting debate performance rattled the party elite...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/bidens-family-keep-fighting-donors-al...
Mike Memoli and Monica Alba | June 30, 2024
...During a tense call with a group of about 40 of Biden’s top financial backers {Sunday}, campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez laid out what could and could not be done with the campaign’s infrastructure if Biden were to step aside while emphasizing throughout the call that he had no intention of doing so.
Most of the campaign’s significant war chest would fall to Vice President Kamala Harris ... Only a smaller pool of money would be kept by the Democratic National Committee.
... Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., who joined for part of the call, emphasized that the process would be “messy” and predicted that Harris would ultimately end up as the nominee.
Sunday’s call was just one of a series of similar conversations top Biden advisers and campaign leaders have been holding with Democratic officials and donors after Biden’s halting debate performance rattled the party elite...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/bidens-family-keep-fighting-donors-al...
136lriley
The Daily Beast with an article on Gretchen Whitmer. Just the title----I won't run but Joe Biden has lost Michigan after debate.
If Whitmer is saying Michigan is gone she's pretty much saying he's going to lose the election. Though there are possible other significant reasons that could happen in Michigan she's singling out Biden's catastrophic debate performance. That performance sent shock waves across the nation. The possible insidious thing about what Whitmer is also saying is it may also signal the Democratic Party if it loses the election is going to just blame the candidate and not look hard at its own policies and internal corruption. Whatever though---it's a canary in the coal mine moment.
If Whitmer is saying Michigan is gone she's pretty much saying he's going to lose the election. Though there are possible other significant reasons that could happen in Michigan she's singling out Biden's catastrophic debate performance. That performance sent shock waves across the nation. The possible insidious thing about what Whitmer is also saying is it may also signal the Democratic Party if it loses the election is going to just blame the candidate and not look hard at its own policies and internal corruption. Whatever though---it's a canary in the coal mine moment.
137margd
Better the Biden You Know
David Frum | July 2024
...The Democrats are a coalition party, not a base party, and they need coalition leadership....And one reason so many ardent Democrats are ready to repudiate Biden now is that they do not like coalition leadership...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/joe-biden-democrats-convent...
David Frum | July 2024
...The Democrats are a coalition party, not a base party, and they need coalition leadership....And one reason so many ardent Democrats are ready to repudiate Biden now is that they do not like coalition leadership...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/joe-biden-democrats-convent...
138JGL53
President Joe Biden will be his party's nominee for POTUS. Really. No joking around. No kidding. Have a cone of ice cream and relax, dip-dogs.
Anyone who thinks for a moment that he will not be so nominated is in severe reality denial mode and living in some hallucinated fantasy world. It's called schizophrenia. There's a lot of different clown cars in which a bonehead can choose to ride. The schizophrenic clown car - that is not a good one. At all at all.
Anyone who thinks for a moment that he will not be so nominated is in severe reality denial mode and living in some hallucinated fantasy world. It's called schizophrenia. There's a lot of different clown cars in which a bonehead can choose to ride. The schizophrenic clown car - that is not a good one. At all at all.
139margd
Behind the Curtain: Trump's imperial presidency in waiting
Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen | 2 July 2024
...the restraints of Congress and the courts are dramatically looser than during his first term
To hear Trump and his allies tell it, this is how early 2025 would unfold if he wins:
1. ...set up vast camps and deport millions of people in the U.S. illegally. He could invoke the Insurrection Act and use troops to lock down the southern border.
2. ...fire potentially tens of thousands of civil servants ... replace many of them with pre-vetted loyalists.
3. ... centralize power over the Justice Department, historically an independent check on presidential power ... nominate a trusted loyalist for attorney general ... target and even imprison critics ... federal cases against him cease...
4. Many of the Jan. 6 convicts could be pardoned ... Investigations of the Bidens would begin.
5. ... 10% tariffs on most imported goods, igniting a possible trade war and risking short-term inflation...
6. ... Justices Clarence Thomas, 76, and Sam Alito, 74, would retire ... If Trump were to win and the two oldest justices retired, five of the nine justices would have been handpicked by Trump. {replacements would be in their 40s}
Top Democrats privately predict Republican majorities in the House and Senate if Biden loses... {few R critics, weakened} ... overwhelmingly Trump-friendly Senate and House...
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/02/trump-2025-imperial-us-presidency
Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen | 2 July 2024
...the restraints of Congress and the courts are dramatically looser than during his first term
To hear Trump and his allies tell it, this is how early 2025 would unfold if he wins:
1. ...set up vast camps and deport millions of people in the U.S. illegally. He could invoke the Insurrection Act and use troops to lock down the southern border.
2. ...fire potentially tens of thousands of civil servants ... replace many of them with pre-vetted loyalists.
3. ... centralize power over the Justice Department, historically an independent check on presidential power ... nominate a trusted loyalist for attorney general ... target and even imprison critics ... federal cases against him cease...
4. Many of the Jan. 6 convicts could be pardoned ... Investigations of the Bidens would begin.
5. ... 10% tariffs on most imported goods, igniting a possible trade war and risking short-term inflation...
6. ... Justices Clarence Thomas, 76, and Sam Alito, 74, would retire ... If Trump were to win and the two oldest justices retired, five of the nine justices would have been handpicked by Trump. {replacements would be in their 40s}
Top Democrats privately predict Republican majorities in the House and Senate if Biden loses... {few R critics, weakened} ... overwhelmingly Trump-friendly Senate and House...
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/02/trump-2025-imperial-us-presidency
140lriley
I don't disagree that it will probably be Biden's name on the ticket in November. I wouldn't say it would be a slam dunk but probably 80% if I were to bet. It depends on how desperate things get for top democratic functionaries and donors in the next couple/few weeks. But it would be very tough for just anyone to step in for Biden with the exception of Kamala Harris. There's not much time and people with presidential ambitions such as Whitmer or Newsom would have a daunting task getting momentum and it might even hurt their chances for 2024 and politicians do always calculate what they think is best for them.
That said and again to Whitmer when she says Michigan is gone after that debate you better believe her---she would know and if Michigan is gone Biden's climbing a real mountain then. He needs Michigan badly and if he doesn't get it the math says he's going to need to steal some states and that would be very difficult in normal times but in these times it's nigh on impossible. You have to win the swing states particularly the ones with the most electoral votes or you're just not going to win in November.
Also it wouldn't surprise me if that was the last debate. Trump was reported already reluctant for the first one and Biden had such a catastrophic performance Donald might be just fine with leaving voters with Biden and his Sleepy Joe bad impression. Another thing is that polls are coming out soon and if they're really bad for Biden it's going to have an effect on lots of down ballot races.
That said and again to Whitmer when she says Michigan is gone after that debate you better believe her---she would know and if Michigan is gone Biden's climbing a real mountain then. He needs Michigan badly and if he doesn't get it the math says he's going to need to steal some states and that would be very difficult in normal times but in these times it's nigh on impossible. You have to win the swing states particularly the ones with the most electoral votes or you're just not going to win in November.
Also it wouldn't surprise me if that was the last debate. Trump was reported already reluctant for the first one and Biden had such a catastrophic performance Donald might be just fine with leaving voters with Biden and his Sleepy Joe bad impression. Another thing is that polls are coming out soon and if they're really bad for Biden it's going to have an effect on lots of down ballot races.
141Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-says-you-can-be-evil-because-theres-only-one-t...
Trump Says ‘You Can Be Evil’ Because ‘There’s Only One Thing That Matters, and That’s Ratings’
Apprentice in Wonderland Book ~
You can be nice, or you can be mean. You can be evil. You can be horrible. You can be crude or elegant. There’s only one thing that matters and that’s ratings. If you don’t have ratings, it doesn’t matter.
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“Trump is looking at a page from the Nielsen ratings published in a 2004 issue of Variety… from the week after the airing of The Apprentice’s first-season finale,” Setoodeh wrote. “It’s framed and bolted to the wall… something that seems to carry as much value to him as the U.S. Constitution, if not more… This sheet of paper comes from an America where The Apprentice was, if only for a single week, the No. 1 show… ‘This is my whole life,’ Trump says.”
Trump Says ‘You Can Be Evil’ Because ‘There’s Only One Thing That Matters, and That’s Ratings’
Apprentice in Wonderland Book ~
You can be nice, or you can be mean. You can be evil. You can be horrible. You can be crude or elegant. There’s only one thing that matters and that’s ratings. If you don’t have ratings, it doesn’t matter.
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“Trump is looking at a page from the Nielsen ratings published in a 2004 issue of Variety… from the week after the airing of The Apprentice’s first-season finale,” Setoodeh wrote. “It’s framed and bolted to the wall… something that seems to carry as much value to him as the U.S. Constitution, if not more… This sheet of paper comes from an America where The Apprentice was, if only for a single week, the No. 1 show… ‘This is my whole life,’ Trump says.”
142Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michelle-obama-is-only-democrat-beating-trump-...
Michelle Obama Is Only Democrat Beating Trump in New Post-Debate Poll – And It’s by A LOT
On Tuesday, Reuters/Ipsos released its latest poll, which was fielded on Monday and Tuesday. It shows Biden and Trump tied at 40% each. Meanwhile, Vice President Kamala Harris notches 42% to Trump’s 43%. Democratic Governors Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear, and J.B. Pritzker all trail Trump by more.
Only Obama led Trump in the poll, and it is by a substantial margin: 50% to 39%.
Michelle Obama Is Only Democrat Beating Trump in New Post-Debate Poll – And It’s by A LOT
On Tuesday, Reuters/Ipsos released its latest poll, which was fielded on Monday and Tuesday. It shows Biden and Trump tied at 40% each. Meanwhile, Vice President Kamala Harris notches 42% to Trump’s 43%. Democratic Governors Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear, and J.B. Pritzker all trail Trump by more.
Only Obama led Trump in the poll, and it is by a substantial margin: 50% to 39%.
143davidgn
So basically, we're all waiting around for King Stupid.
SCOTUS cut that heart and soul out of America’: Fmr. federal judge blasts immunity ruling
Former Federal judge J. Michael Luttig joins Nicolle Wallace to discuss the Supreme Court’s ruling that former President Donald Trump has legal immunity in “official acts” as president, raising the alarm on what the ruling could mean for the future of American law.
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/-scotus-cut-that-heart-and-soul...
Nicolle Wallace on the rule of law post-SCOTUS immunity ruling: 'It’s dead, it just doesn’t know it'
MSNBC legal analyst Andrew Weissmann and Democracy Docket Founder Marc Elias join Nicolle Wallace to discuss the Supreme Court’s bombshell ruling that former President Donald Trump has legal immunity in “official acts” as president, setting a new and troubling precedent for the power of the American president.
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/nicolle-wallace-on-the-rule-of-...
SCOTUS cut that heart and soul out of America’: Fmr. federal judge blasts immunity ruling
Former Federal judge J. Michael Luttig joins Nicolle Wallace to discuss the Supreme Court’s ruling that former President Donald Trump has legal immunity in “official acts” as president, raising the alarm on what the ruling could mean for the future of American law.
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/-scotus-cut-that-heart-and-soul...
Nicolle Wallace on the rule of law post-SCOTUS immunity ruling: 'It’s dead, it just doesn’t know it'
MSNBC legal analyst Andrew Weissmann and Democracy Docket Founder Marc Elias join Nicolle Wallace to discuss the Supreme Court’s bombshell ruling that former President Donald Trump has legal immunity in “official acts” as president, setting a new and troubling precedent for the power of the American president.
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/nicolle-wallace-on-the-rule-of-...
144lriley
So hypothetically if Biden wanted to head things off and get there before Trump got in he could issue an executive order to suspend the constitution and arrest all sitting members of the opposition party (including Donald)......maybe even execute a few with or without trial and it's okay with the Supreme Court? .....and again hypothetically Biden could arrest and/or replace and/or execute all or some of the Supreme Court justices too? (wouldn't that be hilarious?) and all that's good according to Mr. Roberts and friends? What I know about police is they do whatever who's in power tells them to do and if whoever's in power tells them to crack heads it's like Christmas in July. If that is the case then Joe might want to think about because I think Donald will.
145Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/news/kamala-harris-overtakes-biden-as-the-favorite-to-b...
WHOA! Kamala Harris Overtakes Biden as the Favorite to Become the 2024 Democratic Nominee in Major Betting Market
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/07/03/bookmakers-put-their-money-...
Bookmakers Put Their Money On Kamala Harris As Biden’s Odds Tank In Betting Markets
WHOA! Kamala Harris Overtakes Biden as the Favorite to Become the 2024 Democratic Nominee in Major Betting Market
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/07/03/bookmakers-put-their-money-...
Bookmakers Put Their Money On Kamala Harris As Biden’s Odds Tank In Betting Markets
146Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/breaking-biden-tells-key-ally-hes-considering-...
BREAKING: Biden Tells Key Ally He’s Considering Whether to Stay in Race, Per NYT
The New York Times on Wednesday reported that President Joe Biden told a “key ally” that his presidential campaign may not be able to be saved if he cannot right the ship following his disastrous debate last Thursday.
BREAKING: Biden Tells Key Ally He’s Considering Whether to Stay in Race, Per NYT
The New York Times on Wednesday reported that President Joe Biden told a “key ally” that his presidential campaign may not be able to be saved if he cannot right the ship following his disastrous debate last Thursday.
147lriley
Maybe Biden did have a cold but people watching can see numerous signs in the way he walks and talks, facial expressions, his losing the thread in conversation. Incoherent outburts.There's a condition that happens to some people with dementia issues called sundowner's syndrome. Basically the sun goes down and they're past their bedtime and the functional for them goes from from passable or even not so great to terrible.
148Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/biden/top-conservative-think-tank-vows-to-make-it-extra...
Top Conservative Think Tank Vows to Make it ‘Extraordinarily Difficult’ for Dems to Replace Biden By Filing Swing State Lawsuits
Approximately four months ago, the conservative organization began researching laws in states for replacing nominee in key swing states, according to a report from NOTUS. Staffers for Heritage’s Oversight Project compiled the report back in April and released it ahead of the debate.
“If the Biden family decides that President Biden will not run for re-election, the mechanisms for replacing him on ballots vary by state,” reads the memo. “There is the potential for pre-election litigation in some states that would make the process difficult and perhaps unsuccessful.”
Top Conservative Think Tank Vows to Make it ‘Extraordinarily Difficult’ for Dems to Replace Biden By Filing Swing State Lawsuits
Approximately four months ago, the conservative organization began researching laws in states for replacing nominee in key swing states, according to a report from NOTUS. Staffers for Heritage’s Oversight Project compiled the report back in April and released it ahead of the debate.
“If the Biden family decides that President Biden will not run for re-election, the mechanisms for replacing him on ballots vary by state,” reads the memo. “There is the potential for pre-election litigation in some states that would make the process difficult and perhaps unsuccessful.”
149Molly3028
It appears this 4th of July holiday week could be one of the most historically eventful ones!
150Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/news/its-her-party-now-drudge-report-anoints-kamala-har...
‘It’s Her Party Now’: Drudge Report Anoints Kamala Harris, Begins Speculating On Her Running Mate
‘It’s Her Party Now’: Drudge Report Anoints Kamala Harris, Begins Speculating On Her Running Mate
151lriley
I think part of why it most likely would be Kamala is all the donor money the Biden campaign has collected can only transfer to her if Biden drops out because she's part of the ticket.
152margd
Norman Ornstein @NormOrnstein | 11:08 AM · Jul 3, 2024:
If {Biden} resigns, there is no vice president. No easy path to get one confirmed. Mike Johnson next in line. Oy.
If {Biden} resigns, there is no vice president. No easy path to get one confirmed. Mike Johnson next in line. Oy.
153Molly3028
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/james-carville-advises-democratic-donors-to-fr...
Longtime Democratic strategist James Carville urged major Democratic donors who are panicked about President Joe Biden to cease contributing to the campaigns of candidates who back the president, according to a new report in Semafor on Wednesday.
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Dems have to stop the bleeding this week!
Longtime Democratic strategist James Carville urged major Democratic donors who are panicked about President Joe Biden to cease contributing to the campaigns of candidates who back the president, according to a new report in Semafor on Wednesday.
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Dems have to stop the bleeding this week!
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